KOTF OOC Thread

[Tamur]

Game on, wohoo! The install/clearout of the other mod didn't work, but booting via Medieval 2's launcher (no command-line changes, just using that instead of kingdoms) works beautifully.

So, I'm ready to go and would like to request a character.

Thanks again!

[Ituralde]

Welcome to the game Tamur!

[Cecil XIX]

Nice to have you back, Tamur. It's been a while!

[_Tristan_]

So, I'm ready to go and would like to request a character.

Roger that !

An avatar will be spawned at the end of the turn... Where would you like him to start, Tamur ?

Necrosis will have Lionel de Thouars, currently in Bordeaux...

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Welcome Tamur!

Good to see new players. Prince Charles needs some servants vassals.

[Braden]

Ooo..cool another player of quality.

Hmm, Lorraine needs more men

[deguerra]

Ooo..cool another player of quality.
:

What are you insinuating about the rest of us?

[Braden]

Hmmm...what am I saying

*wink* Ok, "another" quality player...to add to all the others we have here already!

[TinCow]

I regret to announce that I am going to withdraw from KotF. I haven't had any motivation to do much of anything since the beginning of September, which has made me essentially inactive for the last 2 months. I've begun to feel pretty bad about this, and I realized a couple days ago that I'd actively been avoiding posting altogether because I've been feeling this way. I'm just too busy at work to devote any time to writing and scheming and there are many, many other things that are higher on my priority list for my free time.

So... please kill off Christophe. If an IC reason is needed, call it the plague or something. He will die without a will.

[Braden]

Oh man! How can we loose you TC??

I know what you mean about work though. I’ve had to drop my LRP system, just don’t have the time to “write rules, book venues, build sets” and all the rest of it.

Haven’t even been Airsofting for 6 months!

Gutted though.

[Tamur]

Sorry to see you go TinCow... but I know too well what it's like to be pulled in overmany directions. Best wishes in your work life.

but... who will I scheme with now?

edit: I'll look a bit later today at the save to figure out where to be. Are we short active avatars in any particular area?

[_Tristan_]

Not particularly... I'm going to take the save now so I'm gonna recruit your avatar in Paris... In the centermost position... Allowing you the widest choice of venues to fight...

And Tincow, sorry to see you go... I myself am somewhat tight on schedule which keeps me wondering what I'll do after Philippe... Hope to see you back soon if you can manage... I vote we give Christophe the two-terms inactivity delay in case you change your mind... Who knows how you'll feel in about two-months time ?

[Tamur]

Sounds good Tristan, thanks very much!

[Braden]

Noted Villain got a MoH offer via Charles which…RP wise…is mucked up. As Villain is already a member of Lorraine AND pledged to a Count, do you think we ought just skip that bit as it might pose a RP issue with Villain being linked directly to two Princes?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Someone wants to be adopted by Charles?

EDIT: Hmm .. so.. how much that Villain is ready to pay in order to become part of the Royal family?

[Braden]

Ibn I’m sure the Duchy or Lorraine can reach an agreement with Charles to let Villain into the Royal family don’t you? (as long as his loyalties remain with Lorraine..*cough*…and Henri)

[_Tristan_]

While I have no OOC objection to accepting the MoH offer of Shlin28, IC Philippe is very much against... I'll send a PM to Zim to see how we stand on the matter in the rules...

[Braden]

Both Henri and Charles have negotiated a deal fully IC but if the King can veto it somehow IC then that’s just more “RP Gravy”.

[Ituralde]

The rules are pretty clear cut on the adoption part: (bolding done by me)

1. General
[...]
(b). - Avatars:
[...].If a Man of the Hour adoption is offered to an avatar, the choice of whether to accept it is entirely up to the avatar who is the adopter.

While scanning through the rules I also found this bit of information:

2. Houses


(a). - Starting Houses: There are four starting Houses, named The Duchy of Bourgogne, The Duchy of Aquitaine, The Duchy of Lorraine and The Duchy of Bretagne. These starting Houses are to be initially led by Raymond de Provence, Prince Louis, Hugues de Champagne and Alain de Rohan, respectively. The leaders of these starting Houses are exempt from any obligations to join the Houses of their parents, and are the first Dukes of their respective Houses.

All other family members start in the House of their parents and are considered to have sworn an oath of fealty to their "parent", regardless of whether they are born into the family, are adopted, or marry into it. They are able to break their familial oath and attempt to join another House, start a new one, or remain independent. However, this brings with it the chance of Civil War as laid out in rule 6 (b).

(b). - RGBs: Recruitable generals start off in the game as independent Knights, excepting the first two as per rule 2 (a). From this position they are free to remain independent or join any of the existing Houses. Should they join an existing House and own land, they will be counted as landed vassals for the purpose of determining ranks within their House, but are unable to inherit leadership of the House. Should a Knight receive an adoption or marriage offer, they will be required to join the House of their new parents, if said parents have one. If they are already members of another House this will still carry the risk of Civil War as per Rule 6 (b).

I bolded the important parts above. I guess this is irrelevant now as Charles is not the member of any House and I guess the negotiation between Charles and Henri was to prevent the chance of Civil War as detailed in 2.a)?

Sorry for this kind of obvious question but I found out that I'm just now familiarizing myself with the Ruleset for Houses.

[Braden]

Details of the IC negotiated deal do, unfortunately, go against (I think) some of the in-game rules but remain in the "spirit" of the rules and gameplay.

As they have been agreed and negotiated from the start IC and were aimed at preventing any Civil War-like issues then I hope they stay.

In short:

Charles has accepted Villain’s approach to become part of the family….IN RETURN…Henri has given Charles unilateral control of Staufen (which had no Baron) and Charles plans to start his own Duchy with it.

- the IC angle is that Henri has requested Charles to sponsor Villain's entry into the Royal house -

In addition to this Villain remains pledged to Andre as his Count.

So, yes, we have created through RP quite a complex arrangement that means Villain does not need to break fealty to Lorraine, thus negating the threat of either civil war or direct issue with Villain and willingly creating another Duchy…again without resorting to Civil war.

…assuming its allowed now of course.

[Braden]

Changing subject entirely for a moment….

There appear to be no rules about merging depleted companies. What’s the “given” on that? I understand that generally re-training is preferred as units retain their chevrons (I believe) but other than that I was wondering if there was any un-written agreement in this game for merging?

I’m asking as my forces are pretty bent and its going to take quite a few YEARS to retrain every company that’s depleted but I can merge what I have now and produce a decent force now.

[Ituralde]

I don't see anything wrong with the deal you have worked out.
The rules part for new Houses is detailed here. So Charles is good to go during the next Council Session and can propose a Codex Amendment according to his wishes.

(c) - New Houses: Any independent land owning Noble may attempt to start a new House by proposing a Codex Amendment at the Council of Nobles. Should their Codex Amendment pass, they automatically attain the rank of Duke of their new House. They may name it whatever they please. Recruitable generals who become Dukes in this manner are exempt from any requirement to join a parent's House if they are adopted or become an FM through marriage.

[_Tristan_]

I'll bow to the rules then but expect some flak in the Conseil... and some repercussions as well...

[Braden]

Well, Henri did give the option to his brother to join Lorraine but…oddly he politely refused.

OOC it seems the deal stands then, which is good.

IC, Legally, I also don’t believe the King can do anything either (or under the guise of Seneschal) to stop this so…as far as I’m concerned…its “good to go” also. Of course, the King “could” veto the Edict Amendment which would be a legal block but, IC, he’d then have to consider what Charles will do then.

Henri would still be happy even if the amendment was veto’d, he’s retained Villain which was (from his standpoint) one of the main aims of the negotiation. Also, Charles would still retain Staufen, again, something Henri wanted as it defends his Southern border whilst allowing another “Duchy” to take up the expenditure in men other than Lorraine.

So, remember Trist, I bet you’ve got that Veto paper ready as we speak! lol

[Braden]

Now...about merging units?

[_Tristan_]

Now...about merging units?

There is nothing against it in any rules. As long as you make sure the units belong to you, ie are part of one of your city's garrison or part of your army, you can whatever you want with them : merge, disband, give them away... whatever...

[Braden]

There is nothing against it in any rules. As long as you make sure the units belong to you, ie are part of one of your city's garrison or part of your army, you can whatever you want with them : merge, disband, give them away... whatever...

Thanks that makes Duc much more happy.

[_Tristan_]

Please be advised that the save is frozen while I clear some business with Zim.

[Braden]

Please be advised that the save is frozen while I clear some business with Zim.

M-Kay...extending the period to accomodate?

[_Tristan_]

Probably... until Sunday...

Thing is what lands did Thomas hold in person before his death ? Frankfurt, Staufen, Reims if I'm not mistaken...