if i ever got a motorcycle...

i want to immediately join these guys.
ive been looking at some vids of them in action, and i cannot tell you how proud i am to be an American when i see them doing their thing.

now to fuel debate, should groups like the Westboro Baptist Church be allowed to protest at soldiers funerals in the way that they do?

my opinion is they should be able to, of course, but make them stay 250 feet -or more- away from the funeral. funerals are events of respect and mourning. no place to be saying "thank god for IEDs."

Isn't that currently the law in most states? I think a whole bunch of state legislatures passed "no protesting within X yards of a funeral" laws just to make the WBC jerkwads back off.

Surely their goal is stop soldiers being killed? If they are attending a funeral to try an achieve this surely they are too late? There is a time and a place for everything, but a funeral isn't the place for anything.

Originally Posted by miotas

Surely their goal is stop soldiers being killed? If they are attending a funeral to try an achieve this surely they are too late?

You clearly are not up to speed on the Westboro Baptist Church. Their theology, as best I can puzzle it out, runs like this:

1. God hates homosexuals.
2. But the USA tolerates them.
3. Therefore, the USA is ungodly, and all of its actions are an abomination.
4. So any soldier who dies is damned to hell for supporting the USA which tolerates homosexuals.

It makes more sense if you're inbred.

That's terrible. The Chaser did a bit on them a few years back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8cN2pB3MCE
Are they a popular movement or is it just that one church?

It's good to see bikies doing good for the community for a change.

Originally Posted by miotas

Are they a popular movement or is it just that one church?

As I understand it, it's just one family.

Originally Posted by Lemur

Isn't that currently the law in most states? I think a whole bunch of state legislatures passed "no protesting within X yards of a funeral" laws just to make the WBC jerkwads back off.

i think that law was passed after the WBC and the Patriot guard clashed?

anyhow, heres the WBC song.

Originally Posted by Lemur

As I understand it, it's just one group of wackjobs.

there...fixed it for you.

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

anyhow, heres the WBC song.

That's such an uplifting song.

Even from a christian point of view, and I mean the somewhat more radical than normal kind, this is full of hatred and these people are so mislead/wrong it's really astounding. Maybe they actually stand for equality and want to prove that muslims aren't the only ones who can have hateful whackjobs.

Hopefully my family won't need the Patriot Guard's services, but it's nice to know they would be there to hold my coat and cover my back if need be.

God hates the world
And all her people
...

Well, you knew God's law
But you disobeyed it all
Spent your lives
Chasing your lust and lies
Serving all your idols
Fag beasts and flags

If God actually hates anyone, I'm pretty sure it's the WBC.

"God hates the world
And all her people"

I'm desperate to sig this for the lulz, might give the wrong message if people take it seriously though. I can just imagine them at a Sunday school, hey kids, gather round and and sing a song... "God hates you, God hates me, God hates all humanity"...

I don't know if the WBC are genuine in their beliefs, or if they are just RL trolls doing it for the attention. Their two lines above definetely have a trollish quality, I can't see what they mean by them. Maybe they are getting at the idea that they are "not of this world" as Jesus says Christians should be, but it's hard to tell.

Huh, according to wikipedia, they first sued on behalf of minorities being discriminated against.

And the Fred Phelps was disbarred for:

A formal complaint was filed against Phelps on November 8, 1977 by the Kansas State Board of Law Examiners for his conduct during a lawsuit against a court reporter named Carolene Brady. Brady had failed to have a court transcript ready for Phelps on the day he asked for it; though it did not affect the outcome of the case for which Phelps had requested the transcript, Phelps still requested $22,000 in damages from her. In the ensuing trial, Phelps called Brady to the stand, declared her a hostile witness, and then cross-examined her for nearly a week, during which he accused her of being a "slut," tried to introduce testimony from former boyfriends whom Phelps wanted to subpoena, and accused her of a variety of perverse sexual acts, ultimately reducing her to tears on the stand.[24] Phelps lost the case; according to the Kansas Supreme Court:
“ The trial became an exhibition of a personal vendetta by Phelps against Carolene Brady. His examination was replete with repetition, badgering, innuendo, belligerence, irrelevant and immaterial matter, evidencing only a desire to hurt and destroy the defendant. The jury verdict didn't stop the onslaught of Phelps. He was not satisfied with the hurt, pain, and damage he had visited on Carolene Brady.[24] ”

In an appeal, Phelps prepared affidavits swearing to the court that he had eight witnesses whose testimony would convince the court to rule in his favor. Brady, in turn, obtained sworn, signed affidavits from the eight people in question, all of whom said that Phelps had never contacted them and that they had no reason to testify against Brady; Phelps had committed perjury.[24]

On July 20, 1979, Phelps was permanently disbarred from practicing law in the state of Kansas,[24] but continued to practice in the Federal courts.

In 1985, nine Federal judges filed a disciplinary complaint against Phelps and five of his children, alleging false accusations against the judges. In 1989, the complaint was settled, with Phelps agreeing to stop practicing in Federal court permanently, and two of his children suspended for periods of six months and one year.[25]

Ya, those Patriot guard riders are good guys.

It's good to see bikies

Is that the Australian slang for motorcycle riders, aka bikers here in the US?

CR

Is that the Australian slang for motorcycle riders, aka bikers here in the US?

Yeah. Bikers sounds like you're talking about those fitness fanatics who ride around on racing bikes(bicycles) at ungodly hours

Most cities, when giving them a permit to protest, stick them in some out-of-the-way location or spot where no one will notice them. While it's quite funny, it does however raise interesting questions about free speech and right to assemble, and it causes the WBC to engage in trickery as to when and where their protests will be, so the counter protestors go to the wrong place because the permit details are so guarded by the establishment.

They are jokes now. The party is over, people ignore them, the muzzle is on. They lose. And to think it all started with Matthew Shephard.

Originally Posted by miotas

Yeah. Bikers sounds like you're talking about those fitness fanatics who ride around on racing bikes(bicycles) at ungodly hours

Here we've got bars with big signs that say "Welcome Bikers". And they mean guys on Harleys, not in spandex.

CR

how the WBC reacts when a gay man begins hitting on one of them

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

how the WBC reacts when a gay man begins hitting on one of them

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

Oh man, hilarious!! Loved his wife!!

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

how the WBC reacts when a gay man begins hitting on one of them

Hmmm... Should I point out that I already posted that in the 5th post?

Originally Posted by HoreTore

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

Oh man, hilarious!! Loved his wife!!

"You're a pervert. Have a nice day, pervert!!!"

HAHAHAHAHAAAA

Originally Posted by miotas

Hmmm... Should I point out that I already posted that in the 5th post?

sorry, just goes to show you that wording counts....

Inbred religiously psycho wakos, on one side

The classical 'patriot' single digit IQ people that provide the U.S with an unending number of quasi-brainless henchmen to fight pointless wars with, on the other side.

So basically insanely 'religious' people quarrel with insanely 'patriotic' people. Two cheeks of the same arse.

In a country that makes sense we would have the police locking the WBC in jail for inciting hatred (which they do) so there would be no need for 'patriotic' hell's angels. I would have thought that disrupting any man's funeral in such way would break enough laws to put the WBC in jail (but I suppose that is not the case in the US). I also have a gut feeling that if they were Muslim and not Christian things would have been different.

Originally Posted by rasoforos

Inbred religiously psycho wakos, on one side

The classical 'patriot' single digit IQ people that provide the U.S with an unending number of quasi-brainless henchmen to fight pointless wars with, on the other side.

So basically insanely 'religious' people quarrel with insanely 'patriotic' people. Two cheeks of the same arse.

And that's the type of eloquent an elegant analysis that has led to modern day Greece being a leader among nations, full of intelligent people making great advances for all humanity in their fields, and making Greece a shining example of modern nations in all facets; including social harmony, medicine, standard of living and tolerance. No wonder they are such a great beacon of civilization, an example to other nations not only in Europe, but around the world! It is clear to me know why other countries beg and grovel for Greece's approval, to be let into the special groups Greece leads. No wonder Greek culture permeates the US, from our televisions to our books and art. Such dominance is but the inevitable result of such thinking as displayed above.

In a country that makes sense we would have the police locking the WBC in jail for inciting hatred (which they do) so there would be no need for 'patriotic' hell's angels. I would have thought that disrupting any man's funeral in such way would break enough laws to put the WBC in jail (but I suppose that is not the case in the US). I also have a gut feeling that if they were Muslim and not Christian things would have been different.

Ah, so 'making sense' means outlawing free speech! No wonder so many immigrants flock to Greece, and not America, for a new life. No wonder it is the dream of impoverished people in poor countries to seek a new life in the gleaming, vibrant, and opportunity filled land of Greece! They seek the appealing lack of freedom and desire the conformity from having acceptable thoughts determined by the government!

CR

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

And that's the type of eloquent an elegant analysis that has led to modern day Greece being a leader among nations, full of intelligent people making great advances for all humanity in their fields, and making Greece a shining example of modern nations in all facets; including social harmony, medicine, standard of living and tolerance. No wonder they are such a great beacon of civilization, an example to other nations not only in Europe, but around the world! It is clear to me know why other countries beg and grovel for Greece's approval, to be let into the special groups Greece leads. No wonder Greek culture permeates the US, from our televisions to our books and art. Such dominance is but the inevitable result of such thinking as displayed above.



Ah, so 'making sense' means outlawing free speech! No wonder so many immigrants flock to Greece, and not America, for a new life. No wonder it is the dream of impoverished people in poor countries to seek a new life in the gleaming, vibrant, and opportunity filled land of Greece! They seek the appealing lack of freedom and desire the conformity from having acceptable thoughts determined by the government!

CR

Uh-oh....

1. Greece is a member of the EU, CR, things like free speech is determined in the European court of human rights...
2. People are actually immigrating to Greece, in the tens of thousands, if not more. You see, Greece is, together with Spain and Italy, one of the three main entries for immigrants to the EU...

Originally Posted by rasoforos

The classical 'patriot' single digit IQ people that provide the U.S with an unending number of quasi-brainless henchmen to fight pointless wars with, on the other side.

i would actually argue that many of these vets who do a great service and protect the families of dead soldiers from the WBC wackos probably have higher IQs than you do.

Originally Posted by rasoforos

Inbred religiously psycho wakos, on one side

The classical 'patriot' single digit IQ people that provide the U.S with an unending number of quasi-brainless henchmen to fight pointless wars with, on the other side.

So basically insanely 'religious' people quarrel with insanely 'patriotic' people. Two cheeks of the same arse.

In a country that makes sense we would have the police locking the WBC in jail for inciting hatred (which they do) so there would be no need for 'patriotic' hell's angels. I would have thought that disrupting any man's funeral in such way would break enough laws to put the WBC in jail (but I suppose that is not the case in the US). I also have a gut feeling that if they were Muslim and not Christian things would have been different.

OK. Here's someone begging for an ad hominem attack. Poor show Trolling perhaps?

A country that makes sense.

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Uh-oh....

1. Greece is a member of the EU, CR, things like free speech is determined in the European court of human rights...
2. People are actually immigrating to Greece, in the tens of thousands, if not more. You see, Greece is, together with Spain and Italy, one of the three main entries for immigrants to the EU...

i think he was being sarcastic

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

i think he was being sarcastic

I know.

Are the Patriot Guard Riders actually all crazed patriots/nationalists though? I would think most of them just want to let people get a decent funeral.