Thing is, we have ID cards anyway, such as driving licence and passport. If it replaces all of those, there is nothing wrong with it.
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Thing is, we have ID cards anyway, such as driving licence and passport. If it replaces all of those, there is nothing wrong with it.
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You're missing the point. It sets a precedent for other hair-brained governmental schemes. Frog in hot-water and all that. Wot, wot.Originally Posted by Beskar
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As odious as it is, it's not the ID card that's the only issue. It's the database.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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Indeed, at the moment it is several different databases and even then, lots of problems arise from it. The biggest concern will be the Data Protection Act, the fact there are all these different databases they want to merge could cause chaos and mistakes which brought the act into force in the first place.
"One Database to rule them all, and in the darkness, bind them!"
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Man, I agree with you, but seeing as they store all movements on oysters cards for over a year already, please excuse my paranoia; why? well, damn, I don't think the government needs to know where I am at all times. Course we're almost always on cctv, & they can triangulate your position if you're carrying a mobile phone.
Personally I think thats enough of an invasion of my privacy.
They would have liked to have kept DNA records indefinitley, of anyone they arrest even if their innocent.
Now they want people to pay 5 million base + the cost of the card, so they can have more ways of tracking your movements via your ID card, which by the bloody way, if you're not carrying you can be arrested for, at which time thay can take your DNA!!!...Please...Enjoy your stay in Camp UK, Be Pure, Be Vigilant, Behave.
Now that's all really screaming heeby jeeby "they're all out to get me" stuff, and maybe I wouldn't think it was important, but I don't like hearing that people are still being found inocent of crimes they have not committed but have had to serve years in prison for!
Show me a perfect legal system, & they can police me anyway they like. But I for one think the police are very far for perfect, as are our laws & system of government, and as such they should be bloody well muzzled. And don't get me started on crime prevention, because that's where this is leading
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I find it rather strange that people are willing to accept a biometric passport with no much fuss...
...but they are unwilling to accept an ID card.
My oppinion? Non biometric ID cards. Plain plastic ones, no chips inside. So you can prove you are above tobacco-alcohol age and you can take money off your bank account without having to carry a 60-page booklet WITH biometrics (passport). That would be a nice compromise.
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Or you can give money to a guy in a trenchcoat in a back alley to supply you with fingers, irises, names, bank account numbers or any other info you like to put on any of your IDs he can also, helpfully, get for ya.
I can picture the conversation in the depths of Scotland Yard: "What do you mean criminals have FAKE IDs?!"
I'm curious: Will tobacconists and off licenses have iris scanning equipment? That's be cool. Maybe they can have a T-800 model for a bouncer too!
Does anyone else think that the british government didn't quite understand the plot of V for Vendetta? They thought it was quite a good idea! Probably have blocked off the tube line under Westminster. Someone should check...
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Not V but they seem to think that 1984 and Animal Farm are a guide, not a warning, to governance.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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That's what we have here I think.
My travel passport seems to have my fingerprints in electronic form because it's required to enter the USA for example. If they're on a chip it's invisible though, meaning I can't make out any chip inside the passport, the normal ID card doesn't have a chip AFAIK(well, could be an invisible one that the secret freemason world government uses for thought control or something along those lines but I'm not aware that there is one) and is mostly used for exactly what you describe.
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Yeah, but you guys have strange symbols on those "harmless" cards, according to this report.
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Sorry. All the pictures look like a penis to me.
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That is the Feminist version of the Illumanti world government. Penis Dominance (aka, men)Sorry. All the pictures look like a penis to me.
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Gotta agree. When they asked what the picture reminded us of, Baphomet was second on my list.Sorry. All the pictures look like a penis to me.
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The travel passport 50EUR, the normal ID card I don't remember but it was cheaper.
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How much does it cost? The more technology in it, the more they'll charge you for having to have it.
PS - The word million in my previous post should have started with a B, not an M
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