Upper-middle (doctor) from middle-middle (teacher) parents. Grandparents were lower-middle (plumber) / middle-middle (teacher).
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Upper-middle (doctor) from middle-middle (teacher) parents. Grandparents were lower-middle (plumber) / middle-middle (teacher).
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Division by class is an outdated concept, like thinking martians live on mars.
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The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
My parents are typical working class I guess, neither had an education, but my dad's library would be the envy of many a scholar. I am well of, better then most people of my age. I don't really think in classes.
Started out dirt poor as a Kid, three siblings, two bedroom apartment. Dad worked endlessly, hardly ever saw the guy, little did I realize at the time that what he was doing was building himself up a miniature empire. Eventually bought a bunch of dirt cheap property, turned it into subdivisions, had a nice little sum of cash, bought some more, rinse and repeat. When Property Value hit it's peak, he sold out, and walked away. Unfortunately, he had only a couple of years to enjoy his wealth, and then us four kids equally divided the estate. So I've gone up considerably in class since my conception, and will hopefully remain financially secure throughout my lifetime, but I still mostly identify with my blue collar pals, I grew up with.
My kids... maybe not so much.
Everyone says they are middle class, because they don't want to be at the "bottom". There is always the underclass too, which isn't mentioned on the charts which is the non-working classes. Only real classes are the people and the elites, the rest and there just to divide people.
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I've never ever felt like I, or anyone else, belonged to a certain class. Take for instance a friend I had at primary school; dad was a plumber, mother a physical therapist. I am sorry, but the concept of class does not make any sense to me..
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Might be easier if we all wrote a description ala Wakizashi above?
I come from a single parent family where my mum didn't work, definately working class if not downright poor.
Now I am a government employee, the first of my extended family to own my own house, more do since then, currently living in a large 4 bedroom end terrace in Wales and earn £32k + a year without overtime or long hours. I am a middle manager and after coming through an engineering apprenticeship I rarely get my hands dirty or work outside anymore, mores the pity.
Beskar's table has $200k+ listed as the top of the rung. This seems like a low salary at which to set that bar, but it's a trend I've seen before in similar discussions. I have a general question for anyone who's willing to answer: How much money does someone need to have/make before they are classified as 'rich'? Feel free to define this based on annual income, total assets, or any other method you want.
Last edited by TinCow; 07-06-2009 at 21:55.
Well if the martians don't live on Mars, where do they live? Huh?
I think it's heavily dependent on where you live. San Francisco is the most expensive city in America, and I've heard reports of people making $60k being homeless. On the other hand, if you live in a little town like mine, you can feel like the king of the world for less than $100k per year. Highly variable.
However, if you have liquid assets in excess of $10m, you don't actually have to work anymore. That's rich enough.
Last edited by Lemur; 07-07-2009 at 00:11.
Just so you know, I'm writing all this down so that there's no surprises when I launch a worldwide communist revolution.
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