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    Ahem. In keeping with econ's spirit of just popping in as if we'd never been gone, I'd like to give you all the opportunity to pester me for coats of arms again, if you would like them.

    For those of you who I've played with in LotR and to a lesser extent KotR, it should all be business as usual: throw your crazy ideas my way and I shall try to make you happy

    For those of you who are new, I like designing coats of arms for the various factions and/or individuals in these games. Doing so is mostly a sticking together of already existing parts of coats of arms, changing a few colours around, pretending I did a lot of work and having a reasonably large and completely disorganised thread. For an idea of how it worked (well...mostly worked) in LotR have a look at this thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=104139

    Now to get your inspirations up, I would suggest the following links:

    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ca...raldic_figures (and its subcategories)

    and especially: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ca..._arms_elements

    Basically, images in .SVG format are easiest to work with and edit. Other things are possible, and I'm happy for you to throw whatever you want at me, but I make no promises.

    Now for our very first KotF Coat of Arms:

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    The idea is the larger one can be used wherever, and the smaller can go in your signature. So fire away if you want.

    At the risk of cluttering this up already, I've come up with some templates:

    First of all, here are the historic Arms for our four Houses and the royal family. I quite like these actually, they are nice and varied.

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    Capetins


    Burgundy


    Brittany


    Aquitaine


    Lorraine


    I suppose the best way of combining these with something more personal would be to use them as a subshield, ie:





    As for ranks, pretty much as below (ignore the different sizes for now):

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    King


    Heir


    Prince


    Duke


    Count


    Baron


    Knight




    Finally, for some basic shapes, just because most of our stuff has been geometrically similar so far:

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    Welcome back, deguerra!

    When I found out you were returning I began to feel a little of what AG has been feeling with the return of the rest of the prominent original KOTR guys, like the whole gang is back.
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    A big thank you deguerra for your wonderful work on my coat of arm!
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    TheFlax needs to die on principle. No townie should even be that scummy.

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    I love this!!!

    Deg your the single most impact immersion practitioner we have!!

    I'll ask when have a character confirmed.

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    Hi Deguerra, I was hoping you would appear.

    I infer you will be taking an avatar? If so, please sign up:

    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=118939

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    Deguerra is thinking of taking an avatar last I heard. Hopefully we can convince him...
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    Hey, deguerra... Nice to see you back...

    We missed you in the endgame...
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    Please be aware that if you are using the coats of arms in your signature, they need to conform to Org rules. The bit about signatures is as follows:

    The rules for signature pictures are:

    * 10,240 bytes max.
    * no sound.
    * max 500 pixels wide, max 150 pixels high.
    I'm not too concerned about the file size aspect, but all images used in sigs should at a minimum be run through a web optimization program to compress them down as much as possible. Using raw .png files is not a good method. In addition, the dimensions (500x150 max) do generally need to be complied with, particularly the height. Lots of extra high signatures can make threads difficult to read.


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    Sorry about that, I've spoilered it for now, until I can get it to a size conforming with the rules.
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    TheFlax needs to die on principle. No townie should even be that scummy.

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    thanks TC, I wasn't sure what the rules were exactly anymore. I will try to cut them down manually, and prbly turn them into .GIFs. The only disadvantage of that is that I have to add the .orgs background colour manually, but at least that justifies my claim to actually doing some work :P

    Thanks for the welcome back guys. Econ, I won't sign up at this stage. I dropped out of LotR in an annoying time and way for most involved because of some computer issues and because I just didn't have the energy for it anymore. I want to avoid committing myself again without being sure I'll remain motivated this time round.
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    ok, I hope to have flax's coat the correct size (precisely 150 pixels high) now.

    on another note, what do we think of using correct french heraldric crowns for the correct ranks (akin to what I did in KotR)

    Roi:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...wns_-_King.svg

    Dauphin:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._-_Dauphin.svg

    Prince du Sang Royal

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...sang_royal.svg

    Duc:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...s_-_duc_v2.svg

    Comte:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...n%C3%A7ais.svg

    Baron:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ns_-_Baron.svg

    Chevalier:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._chevalier.svg
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    Oh man, I can feel this coming together.

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    first post sized increased to kick off process of disorganisation
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    Quote Originally Posted by deguerra View Post
    first post ...
    Outstanding.

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    Good. I will haunt you soon with my c-o-a request..

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    Deg

    Hypothetically, if say, you were to do a shield for a Duke of Bretagne (Brittany)...

    what could it look like?

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    Hypothetically, it could look like this:

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    Arms of Brittany in the middle, ducal crown on top. Arms of the Capetins in the lower right to symbolize allegiance to the king. Celtic Dragon in the upper left to symbolize the celtic heritage (and independece) of Brittany. Waves in between for water, as Brittany is surrounded by ocean. Just me playing around a bit, with little to go on :P
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    Niiiice!

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    or if we manage to get our Duc de Bretagne named Alain de Rohan (per names_mod) it could include the true arms of the Rohan

    http://www.heraldique-europeenne.org...ance/Rohan.htm
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    yeah, i was thinking yesterday actually whether we wanted to get into the real Dukes and their names and arms. Its something I'll leave up to the players. Apart from anything else, unless i am mistaken, Brittany was quite independant of the French Crown at the date we start playing.

    edit: additionally, real life arms tended to be far more simple than the ones I end up making. In a way, I find that makes them more asthetically pleasing, but on the other hand, for RP and immersion purposes, players seem to like to fit a lot of symbology in.
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    Well it seems I'm confirmed as:

    Alain de Rohan, Duke of Bretagne, pending name change success of the mod.

    Shield options are now requested Deg.

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    well i suppose the immediate question is, do we want:

    a) pretty historical: the Rohan Arms with a subshield of the Brittany Arms

    b) not at all historical: something as above

    c) a mishmash: i could imagine, for example, incorporating the Rohan Arms into the background behind the dragon
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    for c), could be like this (removed the dragon after all, with a heavy heart, but it was getting too clustered):

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    Hmm still a bit busy.

    how about removing that river going through the middle?

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    AG:

    not sure myself actually. this is simpler, but for some reason the river seems to divide better...but I leave it to you. Also made the fleurs de lys slightly darker:

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    Tristan:

    not convinced about the sword-wheat/sickle/fork combo. perhaps its just a colour issue, but something doesnt look quite right yet. that said i didnt want to go too wild without some feedback:

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    Quote Originally Posted by deguerra View Post
    AG:

    not sure myself actually. this is simpler, but for some reason the river seems to divide better...but I leave it to you. Also made the fleurs de lys slightly darker:

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    Tristan:

    not convinced about the sword-wheat/sickle/fork combo. perhaps its just a colour issue, but something doesnt look quite right yet. that said i didnt want to go too wild without some feedback:

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    That looks almost like what I expected... Perhaps putting the wheat ear and sword in gold/yellow with the sword over the the wheat.
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    You're right deg

    The river is much better than a straight cut line.

    The dragon was good...it's so hard to choose.

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    that certainly helps. still not particularly kingly to me, but they're your arms , if you're happy, i'm happy:

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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieGiant View Post
    You're right deg

    The river is much better than a straight cut line.

    The dragon was good...it's so hard to choose.
    sorry, nearly missed you there.

    well, we could cut out the capetin bit. reinstert the dragon at the bottom, perhaps just a fleur de lys to symbolize allegiance
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    Yes yes, that could be the go.

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