Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

**gibsonsg91921** · 07-29-2009, 06:08

They could be pro-town masons... of course they could also be duping us. Luckily, these are Reenk's e-mails. They'd be pretty darn smart mafia.

**Beskar** · 07-29-2009, 06:14

It's funny that White_Eyes:D has this "convincing" argument when AskthePizzaGuy has got a successful result on some one. There is a far easier test, at the end of the turn, if Ichigo is found to be "innocent" then obviously, PizzaGuy must be Mafia/Lying, thus lynch him. On the otherhand, if AskthePizzaGuy is telling the truth, obviously, it means there is one Mafia left and well, there was some one trying to divert the town away from a proven mafia....

**White_eyes:D** · 07-29-2009, 06:18

As long as your not going to spam the thread, I don't mind

It is set in stone for Ichigo

Why I even bothered to warn town is beyond me..

Vote:Ichigo

Edit: It is also interesting, how Reenk died the day he asked you guys to reveal

(It could be bad luck but I prefer to think you both had something to do with it)
I also think my theory about the Mafia powering up there kills is true...

We should be looking at one or no kills tonight...I played Khaans games before and he doesn't
cut a mafia's kills just because one is lynched...I also think you guys were trying to swap that under the rug as well...truth is, there is no way to know if you are telling the truth or not..

**Askthepizzaguy** · 07-29-2009, 06:22

I'm left speechless by you, White Eyes.

I don't have anything more to add, because I'm willing to be lynched in trade for lynching Ichigo. Any question of my supposed guilt will be put to rest then.

**White_eyes:D** · 07-29-2009, 06:38

That would be the problem....even if you do...no one well lynch you over Ichigo because they have a detective reveal even though it's not a guarantee, over a PM from a suspicious townie and you...Ichigo is dead but I know that you two are the most suspicious

This all would have been avoided had you been clear about Beskar role in all this....but now you messed up by keeping it secret, yet still trying to have others lynched and even PMing Reenk, who you should know would not trust you

If your Mafia then this is the ballsiest move you have ever done....if you hadn't been trying so hard to protect Beskar I wouldn't even have seen it

**Askthepizzaguy** · 07-29-2009, 06:46

You have an opinion that I can't overturn, because you're pretty sure about your hunch. Some points:

1. There's plenty of time left on the clock. Revealing this early just to lynch Ichigo of all people if I were a mafia makes no sense. The same strategy could be done next round. I wasn't really in danger of being lynched.
2. That being said, I do things that make no sense, out of sheer balls. That is why I am aware I have no credibility as a detective revealing, and am prepared to die next round. That should be good enough for you.
3. I am working with Beskar, but I've never made a secret about it. Given how much of a dead man walking I am, how long do you think he's going to live, if he were my mafia partner? Makes no sense.

I realize I do things which seem to make no sense, as a strategy, at times. But there's no way I'd abort our entire chance of winning the game by voluntarily revealing to the town we were both working together, as early as round 2, and then follow it up with a fake detective claim on round 5, with so many players left. It's a moron strategy. If I am as clever as you suggest, give me more credit.

**Tratorix** · 07-29-2009, 06:48

Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

That would be the problem....even if you do...no one well lynch you over Ichigo because they have a detective reveal even though it's not a guarantee, over a PM from a suspicious townie and you...Ichigo is dead but I know that you two are the most suspicious

I can see you not believing ATPG, but do you have some evidence of Ichigo's innocence? You seem to be trying quite hard to save him, or at least take ATPG down with him.

**White_eyes:D** · 07-29-2009, 06:58

I don't really care about Ichigo

I am not trying to save him...

If the kills keep up and ATPG is lying, we only have 11 people left at a rate of 2 kills per night=
We only have three lynchs left if it stays at 2 kills (which I think is a high possibility but after posting this I just rendered that useless or at best WIFOM

)

Ichigo is gone, I don't care but don't forget ATPG's behavior up to this point....that is all I ask

**Tratorix** · 07-29-2009, 07:05

Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

I don't really care about Ichigo

I am not trying to save him...

If the kills keep up and ATPG is lying, we only have 11 people left at a rate of 2 kills per night=
We only have three lynchs left if it stays at 2 kills (which I think is a high possibility but after posting this I just rendered that useless or at best WIFOM

)

Ichigo is gone, I don't care but don't forget ATPG's behavior up to this point....that is all I ask

There are 16 people left alive.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 07-29-2009, 07:07

Tally:

Ichigo: 8 (Askthepizzaguy, pevergreen, Chaotix, Beskar, Jolt, Tratorix, gibsonsg91921, White_Eyes:D)
Roadrunner: 1 (Wile E. Coyote)

**Reenk Roink** · 07-29-2009, 18:05

Yeah, I played my own games, the PM I sent to White_eyes:D is 100% legit. I obviously can't do much anymore, so I'll leave you with these suggestions.

Kill Ichigo this round for obvious reasons.

Kill Atpg the next round. Sorry Atpg, I still believe you more than I don't, but the fact that I was killed this round (and YLC who always was nice enough to sell me my vote) puts a bit more suspicion on you.

Kill White_eyes:D the next round. There's the possibility that he offed me, knowing that he couldn't off Atpg without me squealing and now he's going to try to make Atpg look guilty.

Both Atpg and White_eyes:D should think this is reasonable if they are protown/town.

**Askthepizzaguy** · 07-29-2009, 18:09

I won't argue about being lynched next round, though I will advise against it for the most obvious of reasons. As for White_Eyes, he's packing some big ones if he's mafia. It's almost like he's begging to be investigated or lynched.

**Chaotix** · 07-29-2009, 18:13

Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Yeah, I played my own games, the PM I sent to White_eyes:D is 100% legit. I obviously can't do much anymore, so I'll leave you with these suggestions.

Kill Ichigo this round for obvious reasons.

Kill Atpg the next round. Sorry Atpg, I still believe you more than I don't, but the fact that I was killed this round (and YLC who always was nice enough to sell me my vote) puts a bit more suspicion on you.

Kill White_eyes:D the next round. There's the possibility that he offed me, knowing that he couldn't off Atpg without me squealing and now he's going to try to make Atpg look guilty.

Both Atpg and White_eyes:D should think this is reasonable if they are protown/town.

The only qualm I would have with this is that ATPG is, most likely, our only investigator (especially if YLC was the other one, which he hinted at). I think we should give him at least a round or two to investigate for us, assuming the mafia doesn't off him.

As for white_eyes, his moves this round would completely make sense as a mafioso: he notices the detective reveal by ATPG; uses the wording in Reenk's pms to try and discredit him; this at the same time covers his back, by making him look like a trusted ally of Reenk, while pressing focus onto someone else. He needs to be lynched.

**Reenk Roink** · 07-29-2009, 18:25

Originally Posted by Chaotix

The only qualm I would have with this is that ATPG is, most likely, our only investigator (especially if YLC was the other one, which he hinted at). I think we should give him at least a round or two to investigate for us, assuming the mafia doesn't off him.

Fair enough. However, do not fall into the trap that TinCow suggests here:

So, leave ATPG alone and do what he says for the time being. We'll re-open the case on him if we ever see 2 kills after tonight or if he's still alive very, very late in the game.

...lest you forget the lessons of The Prometheus...

Atpg's detective reveal is even vaguer than mine, and he hasn't even posted a role PM. We know very little about his exact abilities, and that is suspicious in and of itself. You saw what I did, I said that the game mechanics themselves were changed to explain my situation ("Oh, I can't investigate anymore"

). Atpg doesn't even have to contradict something about his role, as he has hidden it from us.

As for white_eyes, his moves this round would completely make sense as a mafioso: he notices the detective reveal by ATPG; uses the wording in Reenk's pms to try and discredit him; this at the same time covers his back, by making him look like a trusted ally of Reenk, while pressing focus onto someone else. He needs to be lynched.

I agree. But consider this.

If Atpg is telling the truth, than Ichigo is likely (not certainly, maybe he was a different role who visited YLC) a killer and hopefully Mafia. That means there is one less killer and hopefully one remaining Mafia. So if White eyes is Mafia, he very well potentially may be the last one.

On the other hand, if Atpg is lying and not only that, is Mafia, then there are most likely still two Mafia left.

I think for this pragmatic reason, Atpg should be lynched before White eyes. It should be done soon too, DO NOT leave this confusing-*** situation for the last rounds.

edit: Again, I believe Atpg, even cautiously. However, we have a chance to be pretty certain about this, let's take it. Sorry for going behind your back like that Atpg, but you have to admit, it was a good way of covering bases.

**TinCow** · 07-29-2009, 18:47

Queueing up lynchings is bad idea. Deal with this round now and leave the decisions on next round until then. Stacking them three deep not only limits discussion, it's pretty much guaranteed to never work out.