Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

[Tratorix]

I don't really care about Ichigo I am not trying to save him...

If the kills keep up and ATPG is lying, we only have 11 people left at a rate of 2 kills per night=
We only have three lynchs left if it stays at 2 kills (which I think is a high possibility but after posting this I just rendered that useless or at best WIFOM)

Ichigo is gone, I don't care but don't forget ATPG's behavior up to this point....that is all I ask

There are 16 people left alive.

[White_eyes:D]

I am going to stop posting for a few weeks and come back when the game is over

I can't believe, I missed that... I blame it on too many games at once...

Edit:If I am not SK/Mafia I tend to not pay attention, too much I admit I am a crappy townie when it comes down to spotting details...

[Splitpersonality]

Vote: Roadrunner

Terrible ISP, I don't get even half the internet I pay for.



if ATPG is lying it only helps to reenforce his "diamond junk" credit.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I never lie.

[White_eyes:D]

But I really think ATPG and Beskar can make it to the end...even if there were 50 people...there just that good at fooling people

"I am now beating a dead horse" as Pizzaguy would say and well wait for the lynch and night kills(maybe?)..Reenk, I could really use your help right now...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wouldn't worry so much, White Eyes. The "he might fool me, but I won't let him fool me that badly" factor means I am dead next round. End of story.

[White_eyes:D]

If I were Mafia I would keep you around....just WIFOM talking...

And if you were wrong I WOULD REALLY keep you around (Insane detectives are a Mafia's best buddy)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Quit it, you're totally ruining my excuse for still being alive next round.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In the rules, it states: NO QUOTING HOST PM's.

And, I do NOT feel it prudent to reveal all the other investigatees yet. You won't convince me of that.

[Reenk Roink]

In the rules, it states: NO QUOTING HOST PM's.

And, I do NOT feel it prudent to reveal all the other investigatees yet. You won't convince me of that.

For the first part, it's very easy, actually tell us your role name and your abilities without quoting?

For the second part very suspicious that a detective doesn't do that and makes a dogmatic statement that he won't be convinced otherwise.

Why not? After all, if you really are detective, than your life is very well in danger. You know you cant reveal once dead. You must treally be betting for the Mafia to leave you alone? Or maybe you are Mafia?

But maybe you're just being unhelpful and don't want to give the town of names that may be potentially cleared. Great play?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reenk-

If you would refrain from crucifying me for one moment, consider this.

I reveal all the confirmed innocents. Guess who dies first? People I haven't investigated, or people I have? I would prefer to protect their identities. I have informed people who the innocents are, so in the event of my death, it is known. That would be better play in my opinion. I would prefer to keep known innocents alive as long as possible, something I stated to you explicitly in my reveal to you a few days ago. This is not news. It is my policy.

If you would like me to restate what my role is, instead of quoting, here it is: I am a watcher, as I told you in my reveal. I can't detect guilt, only activity and what that activity is. An inactive mafia would therefore not be revealed. That's all I have to say without quoting the PM. What more were you expecting?

As a confirmed innocent, I value your opinion, but I won't follow advice which I consider to be in bad judgment. I did everything I am allowed and required to do in this situation and thensome, there's nothing more I can do. If the town decides it wants all my information regarding the innocents now, then I'd need more support for that idea, and I strongly advise against it.

[Reenk Roink]

I'm not crucifying you, I'm being cautious, more so given the kill choices and your behavior. Imagine had I not told White eyes about you, you would have somewhat of a free ride as Mafia (thank God for the gut).

I reveal all the confirmed innocents. Guess who dies first? People I haven't investigated, or people I have? I would prefer to protect their identities. I have informed people who the innocents are, so in the event of my death, it is known. That would be better play in my opinion. I would prefer to keep known innocents alive as long as possible, something I stated to you explicitly in my reveal to you a few days ago. This is not news. It is my policy.

This has already been considered by me and yet the benefit of this does not come close to outweighing the harms of not telling us imo.

By revealing, sure the people are almost cleared and good targets for kills, but on the other hand, the focus on the Mafia drops nearly a third (including yourself and White eyes). There is then ample time to analyze these people and be able to ignore other potential misleads that may occur should you not reveal.

As the population gets less and less, the probable innocents become less important to hide anyway, and focusing on a subset of people gets more important.

If you would like me to restate what my role is, instead of quoting, here it is: I am a watcher, as I told you in my reveal. I can't detect guilt, only activity and what that activity is. An inactive mafia would therefore not be revealed. That's all I have to say without quoting the PM. What more were you expecting?

To be quite honest the name watcher just sounds off given the theme of this game. Thanks for the other info though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This has already been considered by me and yet the benefit of this does not come close to outweighing the harms of not telling us imo.

By revealing, sure the people are almost cleared and good targets for kills, but on the other hand, the focus on the Mafia drops nearly a third (including yourself and White eyes). There is then ample time to analyze these people and be able to ignore other potential misleads that may occur should you not reveal.

Next round, if we are on the way to lynching an innocent, I will speak up and say nay nay. Then we will avoid lynching a townie, and unless that situation happens, I don't feel the need to divulge it. Keeps the mafia guessing. The info will be known by any critical round. It certainly wouldn't be prudent to reveal it this round, out of all the options I feel that is the weakest.

That's my call.

As the population gets less and less, the probable innocents become less important to hide anyway, and focusing on a subset of people gets more important.

I disagree. The fewer people there are, the more valuable known/probably innocent players are, as they form a greater and greater percentage of the vote.

To be quite honest the name watcher just sounds off given the theme of this game. Thanks for the other info though.

You're welcome, though I revealed all of that in my original messages to you; I did speak of the limitation of the ability. White_Eyes posted it, so it is there for all to see.

[Reenk Roink]

Next round, if we are on the way to lynching an innocent, I will speak up and say nay nay. Then we will avoid lynching a townie, and unless that situation happens, I don't feel the need to divulge it. Keeps the mafia guessing. The info will be known by any critical round. It certainly wouldn't be prudent to reveal it this round, out of all the options I feel that is the weakest.

This presupposes you live...

This isn't an either/or case. We can still get ATPG's information after he's dead without breaking the rules. If ATPG is murdered, he can still easily prevent us from lynching someone he cleared before he died. He can just say "Lynching XXX would be a very bad idea" or something similar. If he's murdered, he will have been cleared from suspicion as a mafioso and we will thus believe what he says. You saw how effective this type of play was by GH in your own Settlement game. If it worked there, there's no reason it can't work here.

Good enough point if this is allowed under khaan, but if I was a host who didn't allow reveals after death I would not allow Atpg to do this. (in the Settlement I couldn't find a great compromise between what I should allow the dead to do so I gave them basically unrestricted privileges).

Khaan, can you please clarify what and what is not allowed in terms of dead reveals in this game. Is the above type of thing allowed?

Lynching Beskar may be a good idea in the future. Particularly, if ATPG continues to protest, we'll know we've hit something- because now that it's been revealed Beskar was a cover-up, he's more or less useless and suspicious anyway.

I think from what I gathered from my correspondence with Atpg, Beskar has already been investigated. It leaves a round of investigation uncounted for (Reenk at least once, Beskar at least once, Ichigo twice).

You're welcome, though I revealed all of that in my original messages to you; I did speak of the limitation of the ability. White_Eyes posted it, so it is there for all to see.

Yes, but that was to me privately, and though White eyes revealed my PM's all the information was hidden in the mass of text when it could be easily given out in the open. Your reveal seemed piecemeal and selective.

[TinCow]

This has already been considered by me and yet the benefit of this does not come close to outweighing the harms of not telling us imo.

By revealing, sure the people are almost cleared and good targets for kills, but on the other hand, the focus on the Mafia drops nearly a third (including yourself and White eyes). There is then ample time to analyze these people and be able to ignore other potential misleads that may occur should you not reveal.

This isn't an either/or case. We can still get ATPG's information after he's dead without breaking the rules. If ATPG is murdered, he can still easily prevent us from lynching someone he cleared before he died. He can just say "Lynching XXX would be a very bad idea" or something similar. If he's murdered, he will have been cleared from suspicion as a mafioso and we will thus believe what he says. You saw how effective this type of play was by GH in your own Settlement game. If it worked there, there's no reason it can't work here.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Personally, I think that if ATPG were lying, he would have worked harder to appear genuine. Overloaded us with information and dared us to call him out on it. The amount he's given us speaks of someone who is truthful but doesn't want to play his entire hand for us.

Also, um, Lynch: Beskar