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    Default Re: Hellenic over advantage?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by antisocialmunky View Post
    Except no one forms up in 240 man squares though and EB is like 1:16(? correct me please):-p

    This problem isn't really too noticable in single player but it does gimp Gauls/German factions in multiplayer since they get poked apart by phalangite heavy armies up to 10% larger. The levy/militia unit size should bumped up one notch. 240 rather than 200 and 200 rather than some 160s IMHO for an across the board unit size increase for non-professional(or semi-profession IE Legionaires) troops. It would be a somewhat more balanced against the massive cavalry unit sizes in EB.

    The player should be able to handle anything that the AI can throw at him/her in the campaign so its not a real issue there.

    Um so basically most other troops should be "bumped up in size"? Wouldn't it just be easier to just reduce the phalanx to 208(13 x 16) or 52 base size? Sure it would not be as historically accurate but then Hellens running around in armies that outnumber all their opponents is also historically inaccurate.

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    I'd rather they keep their unit size, or maybe go up to 256, if the team can somehow stop the phalanx's ability to just turn their pikes to face a new threat like they were very short spears. I'm sure you've all seen them, those that doesn't even raise the pikes but just keep them horizontal and swing them around 180 degrees to fight off a rear attack as if the poles are not there at all.

    But as for unit sizes, they really should be on the same ratio, like say 1:10, of their real life counterpart.

    If historically an army of 30k phalaxes faced an army of 30k principes was a common enough occurrence to be taken as a standard, then principes and phalanxes should have the same unit size because in real life the opposing army were equal.
    Technically principes should be half the size of a phalanx or less, but as in the game an army is two units max, one unit of principes have to be counted as 2 maniples.
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    Default Re: Hellenic over advantage?!?

    The reason is that the smaller the unit sizes for phalangitais the more penalties are associated with their formation. Larger unit sizes offer a large front, while still maintaining enough ranks to maintain enough mass to push against the enemy. Smaller sizes lead to exponentially more problems.

    And because there are 20 unit slots in an army is not reason enough to max them out. 240 phalangitai costs comparatively more than 200 phalangitai would (we calculate cost by men), and to represent a successor army you would need less units than a roman army would need (raising a question of balance in recruitment, but we can't have it all now can we?). That you can have 20 units to an army, it does not follow that you should.

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