Thank You America

**Vladimir** · 07-14-2009, 13:06

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...mer_1.asp#more

America chose to save us from the most evil party, and the most despicable President in the universe [Saddam]. Meanwhile, the Arab powers stood firmly against the American project. They used all means to thwart them, but Allah’s will had another say in this matter. America turned the Ba’athists into the world’s laughing stock by showing them fleeing in their underwear on live television. Meanwhile, the Arab powers turned those cowards into national heroes on their satellite channels.

While our soldiers fight in their pink underwear, others run away wearing a discolored version of theirs.

So. Is the thanks of this and many other Iraqis enough to justify the sacrifices we made?

I like how the author implies that the US was an agent of Allah's will.

**CountArach** · 07-14-2009, 13:47

I have a feeling the Iraqis would've risen up against Saddam anyway. Or at least they would have without the trade sanctions making them dependent on him.

Or am I misinterpreting your question...?

**Vladimir** · 07-14-2009, 13:57

Originally Posted by CountArach

I have a feeling the Iraqis would've risen up against Saddam anyway. Or at least they would have without the trade sanctions making them dependent on him.

Or am I misinterpreting your question...?

Well they did after the first Gulf War, and they were slaughtered. "The People" also arose against the Chinese government and recently in Iran. Don't rely on some idealistic people's revolution.

This is mostly an interesting article to share. A lot of Americans want people to love us; this is a case it appears there is someone who does.

**CountArach** · 07-14-2009, 14:17

Originally Posted by Vladimir

Well they did after the first Gulf War, and they were slaughtered. "The People" also arose against the Chinese government and recently in Iran. Don't rely on some idealistic people's revolution.

It has worked in the past. It will work again. Iran is not an open/shut case, there is still potential and unrest there.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 07-14-2009, 15:24

Originally Posted by CountArach

It has worked in the past. It will work again. Iran is not an open/shut case, there is still potential and unrest there.

The state has many more ways to keep track of you and then kill you than it did 20, even 10, years ago. The Marxist ideal of the "People's Revolution" is well and truly dead, and was never a reality anyway. Every revolution has support either from within the local elite or from an outside power.

Case in Point: In 1991 George Bush Snr told the Iraqis that if they rose up against Saddam the US and Nato would support them. They didn't and the Iraqis were slaughtered, the Marsh Arabs had their homeland drained and hence their culture castrated.

Yippy for the People's Revolution.

**CountArach** · 07-14-2009, 15:27

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

The state has many more ways to keep track of you and then kill you than it did 20, even 10, years ago. The Marxist ideal of the "People's Revolution" is well and truly dead, and was never a reality anyway. Every revolution has support either from within the local elite or from an outside power.

The People's Revolution is not a working-class one... I mean it in the sense of the cross-class Democratic movements that can be seen across the world. Like the one in Iran.

And whilst the government has more ways to control us, we have more ways to organise and get information around.

**HoreTore** · 07-14-2009, 17:04

Originally Posted by Vladimir

Well they did after the first Gulf War, and they were slaughtered. "The People" also arose against the Chinese government and recently in Iran. Don't rely on some idealistic people's revolution.

This is mostly an interesting article to share. A lot of Americans want people to love us; this is a case it appears there is someone who does.

Yes... People rising up in Iran....

I sorta remember something like that back in '79, now how did that one turn out again...?

**Vladimir** · 07-14-2009, 17:29

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Yes... People rising up in Iran....

I sorta remember something like that back in '79, now how did that one turn out again...?

You mean you read something about something like that happening in '79, and it was more complex then you're portraying. Perhaps being located between two western-friendly governments will encourage a more peaceful change.

**HoreTore** · 07-14-2009, 18:27

Originally Posted by Vladimir

You mean you read something about something like that happening in '79, and it was more complex then you're portraying. Perhaps being located between two western-friendly governments will encourage a more peaceful change.

Uhm....

Where did I "portray" anything....?

**Husar** · 07-15-2009, 13:44

Originally Posted by Vladimir

Well they did after the first Gulf War, and they were slaughtered.

Wasn't that this episode where the USA told them to do it and promised to come and help them and then they were slaughtered because the USA didn't come?
I remember it was brought up again in the second gulf war when you guys wondered why some parts of the population weren't as helpful and happy as you had expected.

**Divinus Arma** · 07-26-2009, 21:57

Originally Posted by Vladimir

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...mer_1.asp#more

While our soldiers fight in their pink underwear, others run away wearing a discolored version of theirs.

So. Is the thanks of this and many other Iraqis enough to justify the sacrifices we made?

I like how the author implies that the US was an agent of Allah's will.

You are welcome. And I will gladly accept Allah in return for the ability to marry numerous wives. Just don't ask me to blow myself up. And I didn't go to church, nor will I go to a mosque. And don't ask me to do anything that rhymes with "prostate". And I still like the Juden, so nyah. And I won't stop drinking. ever. Erm. Nevermind. I'll just have multiple girlfriends. Yay! Your welcome anyway.

**rotorgun** · 07-27-2009, 02:03

Originally Posted by Divinus Arma

You are welcome. And I will gladly accept Allah in return for the ability to marry numerous wives. Just don't ask me to blow myself up. And I didn't go to church, nor will I go to a mosque. And don't ask me to do anything that rhymes with "prostate". And I still like the Juden, so nyah. And I won't stop drinking. ever. Erm. Nevermind. I'll just have multiple girlfriends. Yay! Your welcome anyway.

That is too good DA.

I think we should add one proviso: You still ain't gettin' my Budweiser, and oh yeah, that oil? Well give that back when you people can sit down at the peace table with each other like good little boys and girls and talk about it. Until then,

Piss up a rope!

Your welcome.