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Originally Posted by fleaza:
what are their weaknesses? i dont think there are any glaring weaknesses for a steppe army except for their poor melee.
as long as you dont chase them and absorb missle fire you will be fine. the romans even have the tetsudo formation to help them.
what are their weaknesses? i dont think there are any glaring weaknesses for a steppe army except for their poor melee.
as long as you dont chase them and absorb missle fire you will be fine. the romans even have the tetsudo formation to help them.
weaknesses = none, for the steppes and nomads
Poor melee? I don't think so. With the cataphracts, armoured horse archers, and bodyguards? No way.
The barbarians would get themselves shot to death, no question.
Romans have good infantry. Eventually, they run out of arrows, which Testudo has decreased in lethality, and must charge. Your infantry stand a good chance at beating them, as to have enough armoured horse-archers mean they have significantly less units than you do.
As the Western hellenics, I'm not really sure how it plays out. You could feasibly just let your phalanxes rough it, and use your own heavy cavalry to flank them after they charge. Or you could use a lot of slingers.
Eastern hellenics have it easy. You have your own horse archers and cataphracts, and good foot archers. It'll be a lot less difficult.
And nomads vs. nomads simply depends on your ability as a commander.
Romans have good infantry. Eventually, they run out of arrows, which Testudo has decreased in lethality, and must charge. Your infantry stand a good chance at beating them, as to have enough armoured horse-archers mean they have significantly less units than you do.
As the Western hellenics, I'm not really sure how it plays out. You could feasibly just let your phalanxes rough it, and use your own heavy cavalry to flank them after they charge. Or you could use a lot of slingers.
Eastern hellenics have it easy. You have your own horse archers and cataphracts, and good foot archers. It'll be a lot less difficult.
And nomads vs. nomads simply depends on your ability as a commander.
Hey! wtf u talking about barbarian factions!
I've played with the Aedui against Saka (mix infantry + HA + Catas) and against HA & heavy cavarly only.
The 1st battle was in EB 1.0 the second in EB .8x.
I won the 1st one by a HAIR pin. It was so close that when I did the battle replay, the replay showed me loosing the battle
The second one I ALMOST won. It was extremely close.
I will say for those who bring up slinger:
YOUR SLINGLER WILL GET SHOT TO S*** by the HA. So if you are post-marian Romani use your armored archers instead.
My suggestion is to hire the heaviest infantry you can get your hands on, and some of the heaviest cavarly u can get your hands on. If you are a gaul that means Helvetti, Solduros, Gaesatae (2), Cornutes (sp, must have), Neitos, and Brenthin (sp). Still deploy lots of slingers to do some damage to his HA and to recieve most of the arrows. Keep mind that when HA's do that circle thing, they will be very hard to hit.
I've played with the Aedui against Saka (mix infantry + HA + Catas) and against HA & heavy cavarly only.
The 1st battle was in EB 1.0 the second in EB .8x.
I won the 1st one by a HAIR pin. It was so close that when I did the battle replay, the replay showed me loosing the battle
The second one I ALMOST won. It was extremely close.
I will say for those who bring up slinger:
YOUR SLINGLER WILL GET SHOT TO S*** by the HA. So if you are post-marian Romani use your armored archers instead.
My suggestion is to hire the heaviest infantry you can get your hands on, and some of the heaviest cavarly u can get your hands on. If you are a gaul that means Helvetti, Solduros, Gaesatae (2), Cornutes (sp, must have), Neitos, and Brenthin (sp). Still deploy lots of slingers to do some damage to his HA and to recieve most of the arrows. Keep mind that when HA's do that circle thing, they will be very hard to hit.
I highly doubt you could afford that army in MP. And have HAs and Catas.
The fact is, barbarian factions don't too well against projectiles. At all. Even the mighty Gaesatae are brought down far easier by arrows than spears. The Getai get a few horse-archer units of their own, and heavy infantry with armour, so I suppose they would fare better than say, the Sweboz.
The fact is, barbarian factions don't too well against projectiles. At all. Even the mighty Gaesatae are brought down far easier by arrows than spears. The Getai get a few horse-archer units of their own, and heavy infantry with armour, so I suppose they would fare better than say, the Sweboz.
Originally Posted by A Very Super Market:
I highly doubt you could afford that army in MP. And have HAs and Catas.
The fact is, barbarian factions don't too well against projectiles. At all. Even the mighty Gaesatae are brought down far easier by arrows than spears. The Getai get a few horse-archer units of their own, and heavy infantry with armour, so I suppose they would fare better than say, the Sweboz.
My army was 1/2 slinger, the other half was composed of the best of Aedui armor. I can't remember if I had 1 or 2 Gaesatae, but I didn't roll with a lot of them.I highly doubt you could afford that army in MP. And have HAs and Catas.
The fact is, barbarian factions don't too well against projectiles. At all. Even the mighty Gaesatae are brought down far easier by arrows than spears. The Getai get a few horse-archer units of their own, and heavy infantry with armour, so I suppose they would fare better than say, the Sweboz.
One thing though... my Solduros fought with Sword ONLY. (me and my friend took out the Spears from them and similar units, like the Arjos). This little thing makes Solduros kick some major ass, as in they can kill Gaesatae
Celts have good enough armor if you bring decent line infantry preferably with spears. Lustotana doesn't give a crap about arrows. The only factions that have missile problems are Germans/Saba since Getai can actually just go steppe themselves.
just bring armored spear units to take the brunt of the arrow fire
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