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This first post is updated to record where we are in terms of choosing the right French/French flavoured words for some key game concepts.
For most concepts, players are free to use either Anglicised or French names - the latter are given in brackets.
Four starter Houses:
Burgundy - capital: Dijon; home of the Burgundians
Lorraine - capital: Reims; home of the Lorrains
Aquitaine - capital: Toulouse; home of the Aquitains
Bretagne - capital: Rennes; home of the Bretons
Parliamentary terms
We meet in a Council of the Realm (Conseil du Royaume).
All nobles are Councillors (Conseillers).
Every session, the day to day running of the Kingdom is overseen by the Seneschal.
We propose edicts (edits) as our laws
We live according to the rules of our Charter (charte)
We can ammend the Charter by issuing proclamations
Feudal ranks
Faction leader is the King (le Roi)
Faction heir is the Dauphin. Other sons of the King are Princes.
Then we have:
Duke (Duc)
Baron
Count (Comte)
Knight (Chevalier)
Original post:
For most concepts, players are free to use either Anglicised or French names - the latter are given in brackets.
Four starter Houses:
Burgundy - capital: Dijon; home of the Burgundians
Lorraine - capital: Reims; home of the Lorrains
Aquitaine - capital: Toulouse; home of the Aquitains
Bretagne - capital: Rennes; home of the Bretons
Parliamentary terms
We meet in a Council of the Realm (Conseil du Royaume).
All nobles are Councillors (Conseillers).
Every session, the day to day running of the Kingdom is overseen by the Seneschal.
We propose edicts (edits) as our laws
We live according to the rules of our Charter (charte)
We can ammend the Charter by issuing proclamations
Feudal ranks
Faction leader is the King (le Roi)
Faction heir is the Dauphin. Other sons of the King are Princes.
Then we have:
Duke (Duc)
Baron
Count (Comte)
Knight (Chevalier)
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Naming the Houses
Sounds good.
Castles vs. Cities
Didn't only Swabia and Bavaria start with castles in KotR? I'm pretty sure we can get by with militia early in the game, especially if a house has six units of bodyguards.
The Dukes
Like KotR right? That seems like a good idea.
Sounds good.
Castles vs. Cities
Didn't only Swabia and Bavaria start with castles in KotR? I'm pretty sure we can get by with militia early in the game, especially if a house has six units of bodyguards.
The Dukes
Like KotR right? That seems like a good idea.
Instead of the senate, maybe Assembly of the Second Estate. The States-General would have been members of all three estates, and since we are playing members of the nobility, that would put us in the middle category, clergy and commoners comprising the other two.
Iirc, Dauphin was not used until the 1300s to identify the prince.
As for House names, I think we should rather go like this :
Rennes = Bretagne
Toulouse = Navarre
Reims = Either Champagne or Lorraine. The latter would particularly work if we include Metz into the realm fast.
Dijon = Bourgogne seems fine.
As for titles, Seneschal sounds fine for the title of Chancellor
As for the assembly, the assembly of the second-estate was established much latter. At the time, such a thing didn't truly exist but a Conseil Royal (royal Council) or Conseil du Royaume (Council of the Realm) or High Council (Haut Conseil) would be the nearest thing we would have with the members dubbed Conseillers (Councillors).
Edicts should be Edits
Constitution would be Charte (the term constitution didn't appear until the French Revolution).
Amendments should be Proclamations.
Rennes = Bretagne
Toulouse = Navarre
Reims = Either Champagne or Lorraine. The latter would particularly work if we include Metz into the realm fast.
Dijon = Bourgogne seems fine.
As for titles, Seneschal sounds fine for the title of Chancellor
As for the assembly, the assembly of the second-estate was established much latter. At the time, such a thing didn't truly exist but a Conseil Royal (royal Council) or Conseil du Royaume (Council of the Realm) or High Council (Haut Conseil) would be the nearest thing we would have with the members dubbed Conseillers (Councillors).
Edicts should be Edits
Constitution would be Charte (the term constitution didn't appear until the French Revolution).
Amendments should be Proclamations.
I think it might be a good idea to keep to the Anglicised rank names (people had problems with the ranks in LOTR...) but like Seneschal for the rank of Chancellor.
I like Tristan's House names.
I'm not too bothered about holding Dukeships until an FM comes along. I set up the rules to exclude starting RGB Dukes from the requirement to join their new parents' House if adopted. As far as I'm concerned even if adopted into the family tree they would be the heads of their own influential families. I'm open to it being convinced otherwise but at the moment I don't think making several starting players sort of dukes while waiting on fms to come of age adds much to the game, and having all the Houses headed by direct children of the King seems a little off rpwise (granted, Medieval History is not my strong point. Perhaps it isn't so odd). Of course, the Prince will head one of the Houses.
Perhaps discussion of starting House rules (as opposed to things like their names that are more "color") should be done in the rules thread...
I like Tristan's House names.
I'm not too bothered about holding Dukeships until an FM comes along. I set up the rules to exclude starting RGB Dukes from the requirement to join their new parents' House if adopted. As far as I'm concerned even if adopted into the family tree they would be the heads of their own influential families. I'm open to it being convinced otherwise but at the moment I don't think making several starting players sort of dukes while waiting on fms to come of age adds much to the game, and having all the Houses headed by direct children of the King seems a little off rpwise (granted, Medieval History is not my strong point. Perhaps it isn't so odd). Of course, the Prince will head one of the Houses.
Perhaps discussion of starting House rules (as opposed to things like their names that are more "color") should be done in the rules thread...
Tristan, what words do you think would be suitable as names for the local people of Navarre, Champagne and Lorraine? Like in Kotr, we would talk of Swabians, Austrians etc. I'm assuming Bretons and Burgundians are ok for the other two areas you mentioned.
For the record, I would prefer a geographical naming scheme as well.
Oh please Tristan. Your written English is excellent.
The only thing I know how to say in French is:
"Je suis ananas!!" And I need help spelling that right now.
Thanks for the tip Zimmy. I didn't know Flaxywas French. Good to know.
The only thing I know how to say in French is:
"Je suis ananas!!" And I need help spelling that right now.
Thanks for the tip Zimmy. I didn't know Flaxywas French. Good to know.
As I'm from belgium, I speak dutch/french and english
with some german and spanish on the side :p
So I don't care either way about the names.
with some german and spanish on the side :p
So I don't care either way about the names.
Originally Posted by mini:
As I'm from belgium, I speak dutch/french and english
Same here.As I'm from belgium, I speak dutch/french and english
Originally Posted by Andres:
Same here.
Good god Andres, your Belgique?? Same here.
Originally Posted by AussieGiant:
I didn't know Flaxywas French. Good to know.
He's not. He's CANADIAN I didn't know Flaxywas French. Good to know.
Vive le Quebec Libre !!!
Originally Posted by AussieGiant:
Thanks for the tip Zimmy. I didn't know Flaxywas French. Good to know.
I think he's Quebecois.Thanks for the tip Zimmy. I didn't know Flaxywas French. Good to know.
Oh god.
A Quebecois, he seems so relaxed and likeable chap...totally not what I remember from Montreal.
I'm just stirring.
A Quebecois, he seems so relaxed and likeable chap...totally not what I remember from Montreal.
I'm just stirring.
No everyone from Montreal is crazy AG.
Since I'm not a separatist, I refer to myself as a Canadian usually. (Although I don't mind being referred to as a Quebecois)
Enough digressing.
I take we are pretty much settled on the four house names?
Since I'm not a separatist, I refer to myself as a Canadian usually. (Although I don't mind being referred to as a Quebecois)
Enough digressing.
I take we are pretty much settled on the four house names?
Speaking of flavor, there was a book I discovered a while back called 'A Knight's Own Book of Chivalry'. It's a translated treatise by a French knight from the Hundred Years' War named Geoffroi de Charny, who died in the Battle of Poitiers where he had the honor of carrying the Oriflamme. It's a very good resource, as it was commissioned by the King of France to serve as a manual for a new order of French knights that the King had hoped to create.
As far as I know, it's the only book of chivalry written by an actual medieval knight. I highly recommend it.
As far as I know, it's the only book of chivalry written by an actual medieval knight. I highly recommend it.
Originally Posted by Cecil XIX:
Speaking of flavor, there was a book I discovered a while back called 'A Knight's Own Book of Chivalry'. It's a translated treatise by a French knight from the Hundred Years' War named Geoffroi de Charny, who died in the Battle of Poitiers where he had the honor of carrying the Oriflamme. It's a very good resource, as it was commissioned by the King of France to serve as a manual for a new order of French knights that the King had hoped to create.
As far as I know, it's the only book of chivalry written by an actual medieval knight. I highly recommend it.
Very interesting. One comment I would make though is that for those seeking to be historically accurate, the starting date of our game (1080) is still in the early period of chivalry. It certainly existed at that point, but I don't think it was quite as popular or with as much of a formalized code as it achieved by the 13th and 14th centuries. I feel like in France in 1080, chivalry as we know it now was still in its infancy. That should make for some interesting story lines for anyone who wants to pursue it; determine what a proper code of chivalry IS and how exactly a chivalric knight behaves. Does it apply only to other knights? How about to heathens? How closely is it connected to the Church, and how closely to politics?Speaking of flavor, there was a book I discovered a while back called 'A Knight's Own Book of Chivalry'. It's a translated treatise by a French knight from the Hundred Years' War named Geoffroi de Charny, who died in the Battle of Poitiers where he had the honor of carrying the Oriflamme. It's a very good resource, as it was commissioned by the King of France to serve as a manual for a new order of French knights that the King had hoped to create.
As far as I know, it's the only book of chivalry written by an actual medieval knight. I highly recommend it.
Food for thought.
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