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    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post
    The pure religion inside (islam) isn't evil one.... as the Religion was just another victim.
    The primary orator, practioner and accepted prophet of said religion was a military general. Why we are still perplexed over the accurate implementation of the doctrines of Islam is surprising to me. If you are a non believer, you are to be converted. If you dont convert you are an afront to god and are to be killed.

    Its not really complex and isnt masked in some deep inner logic within the religion, its crystal clear. The fact that the majority of Muslims dont adhere to the doctrines of thier faith (much like Christians dont) dosent mean that the "pure religion" isnt one that embodies and exports violent means to achieve its indoctrinated end.

    We like to call them radical, but in truth they got the intent right they just happen to be applying it in an absolute way, which isnt prudent given that it was written as a social construct within a society structure that was highly factional. We are still to a degree but not nearly as much as we were 1400 years ago.

    so essentially: KILL, MAIM,BURN
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
    The primary orator, practioner and accepted prophet of said religion was a military general. Why we are still perplexed over the accurate implementation of the doctrines of Islam is surprising to me. If you are a non believer, you are to be converted. If you dont convert you are an afront to god and are to be killed.
    It was a context quite common that time... more political than religious.... as they face bosth ERE and Sassanids that time...

    Well, you should try to have more muslim friends... at least they aren't as evil as you might imagine, but their belief system is rather "unbeliefable" is much true. However, most "muslims" didn't follow their say religion strictly. They are flexible, just follow some skin deep procedures as cosmetics.... much same as today's most Christians are goes to church because their mom said they should go...

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    Christianity is a very easy religion to follow. we are not required to forsake certain earthly pleasures such as drinking or pork. The mongols of Genghis Khans time were intrigued with Christianity for these very reasons.

    Cute Wolf is right however, the vast majority of people in the world right now are religion in name but not practice. However, compared to America the middle east is far more religious because of the very culture. The vast majority of Middle easterners are Muslim, therefore it is easier to be a practicing Muslim in the middle East than it is in America or some other highly diversified society.

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    Christianity is a very easy religion to follow. we are not required to forsake certain earthly pleasures such as drinking or pork.
    Actually, drinking alcohol is one of the things that is typically Christian; wine representing the blood of Christ and all of that. It isn't meant in a negative or positive way, it's just interesting.

    Becoming a Buddhist isn't very hard; take refuge in the three Jewels and you're done. Becoming a Muslim isn't very hard say the Shahada and you're done. Everything else is mandatory, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion1 View Post
    Christianity is a very easy religion to follow. we are not required to forsake certain earthly pleasures such as drinking or pork. The mongols of Genghis Khans time were intrigued with Christianity for these very reasons.
    Well, there's the no sex thing. That's sort of hard to follow, virtually impossible for most people actually. There's an anecodote I quite like:

    The Oxford Dons are arguing about what, if any, unique contribution Christianity has made. In walks C.S. Lewis, "What's the ruckus" says he, the Dons tell him and his response is, "Oh, that's easy. Grace."

    Christianity is a religion of forgiveness, not contract. That's what makes it so unusual, in that it posits a unique relationship with (a) God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post
    It was a context quite common that time... more political than religious.... as they face bosth ERE and Sassanids that time...

    Well, you should try to have more muslim friends... at least they aren't as evil as you might imagine, but their belief system is rather "unbeliefable" is much true. However, most "muslims" didn't follow their say religion strictly. They are flexible, just follow some skin deep procedures as cosmetics.... much same as today's most Christians are goes to church because their mom said they should go...
    So, you're saying that most "Muslims" aren't really Muslims at all, and that is why they don't kill infidels.

    That's not a great arguement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    So, you're saying that most "Muslims" aren't really Muslims at all, and that is why they don't kill infidels.

    That's not a great argument.
    I thought that not following religious dogma does generally mean you're not following the religion. I guess you could argue they're following a branch that believes that this is God's will which was revealed to Mohammed but right at this moment they're not 100% happy to go along with everything God said... possibly s/he was having a bad day on some bits of it... Sort of nearly practising Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    I thought that not following religious dogma does generally mean you're not following the religion. I guess you could argue they're following a branch that believes that this is God's will which was revealed to Mohammed but right at this moment they're not 100% happy to go along with everything God said... possibly s/he was having a bad day on some bits of it... Sort of nearly practising Muslims.

    So.... Every christian who doesn't support the death penalty for gays, are not christians...?

    Also, there are more than just one version of Islam, just like there are more than one version of christianity. Face it Rory, Islam isn't set in stone. There is interpretation and discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post
    Well, you should try to have more muslim friends... at least they aren't as evil as you might imagine, but their belief system is rather "unbeliefable" is much true. However, most "muslims" didn't follow their say religion strictly. They are flexible, just follow some skin deep procedures as cosmetics.... much same as today's most Christians are goes to church because their mom said they should go...
    I dont think there evil, i just think they lack the humility to acknowledge that the mythology they created includes a god that gave them the ability to make rational decisions and to moderate themselves.

    Its a nice backstop to have in your life when you can throw out a religous doctrine that is unassailable, you know "Well the bible says" or "thats gods will". I personally wouldnt mind a good old fashion war based on religous doctrines, it would be easier to comprehend motivations and justifications.

    Plus I could come out of retirement although I dont think I could do Benning in July\August im to old now. thankfully we have plenty of ungrateful, spoiled, entitled idiots around between 18-28 that can go kill in my sted.

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