Impetuousness

[Gabeed]

Does anyone know what the discipline is of a unit that is "impetuous?" I know that they like to run into battle unasked, but how does their discipline measure up to units that have "normal" or "disciplined" discipline? Discipline, discipline, discipline.

[A Very Super Market]

Discipline as in morale?

Because if they charge into battle unasked, that is pretty much the opposite of discipline.

That being said, I've never had a unit charge without orders, so just treat them as "Fresh" or maybe a bit above that.

[John the Mad]

I've noticed that my lieutenant generals(playing as rome) units will sometimes charge,or recharge,without orders.Though this seems to happen only after they've been engaged a couple of times and got their blood up.

I watched this happen the other night during a battle with rebels in south-central Italy.Since all my army was off fighting i pulled together the governors of three cities and used them.One unit in particular seemed keen on disobeying me,the youngest roman family member the game starts with.

I would have a clean disengage,after charging,and for some reason as soon as the unit stopped and reordered itself he would try to charge on his own.

The one nice thing about the battle though was i got to see the effect of a hoplite chasing cavalry uphill,only to have over a 100 horsemen(Faction leader) turn around and launch an effective charge,could do.I've never seen so many bodies flying at once.

[Gabeed]

Discipline as in morale?

Because if they charge into battle unasked, that is pretty much the opposite of discipline.

Not quite. In the documentation, each unit has a morale score, as well as a level of discipline. This can range from "low" to "disciplined." This rating tells you how quickly a unit's morale goes down. I was wondering how "impetuous" fit in in that regard.

[A Very Super Market]

Impetuous is simply a level of morale, so I imagine that it has no effect on discipline. Most barbarian units are impetuous, and you will still see levies breaking faster then elites.

[Andronikos]

I have noticed, that sometimes, when I order a unit to charge an enemy unit, it sometimes attacks some other unit, which is closer when passing by, I especially hate when my unit is cavalry and the other unit has long sharp wooden things pointed in the right direction.

[DaciaJC]

I have noticed, that sometimes, when I order a unit to charge an enemy unit, it sometimes attacks some other unit, which is closer when passing by, I especially hate when my unit is cavalry and the other unit has long sharp wooden things pointed in the right direction.

Aye, I've noticed this as well, particularly in the cases where I have the units in question grouped together. They seem to part ways and attack whatever enemy is closest to them.

[Gabeed]

Impetuous is simply a level of morale, so I imagine that it has no effect on discipline. Most barbarian units are impetuous, and you will still see levies breaking faster then elites.

That's because barbarian levies have lower morale than barbarian elites. Morale scores of levies are around 9-11, while elites range from around 13-17.

Impetuousness, according to the Unit Documentation, is not simply a level of morale. It is a level of discipline, and I'm trying to see where that lies. For example, if two equal units of hoplitai were battling each other, one being impetuous (for some reason) and one having normal discipline, which would rout first?

[option]

I think impetuous just refers to how tight their formation is. It's somewhere between untrained (where the men just stand in a big blob) and disciplined (where they actually stand together in a nice formation, like Roman legions or hoplite phalanxes). I had a unit of elite Thracians who are listed as 'impetuous' and I noticed they were somewhat organized, but still not completely cohesive.