while we wait for ETW to be completed

[Slaists]

East India Company goes gold. Release date scheduled for end of July in the US...

Read the blog on naval warfare: interesting details there.

[MasterPhantom]

I guess they trying to complete with ETW.

[Prussian to the Iron]

looks kinda crappy. i mean, it is solely naval combat. thats like taking away everything from etw, except for trade and naval combat. im more of a landlubber myself :P

[pevergreen]

Total War really is the only one in its genre.

Regardless, this topic doesn't belong here.

Parliament
Discuss the new TW title.

The Arena
A place to discuss any games not from the Total War series; also for game reviews, consoles and console games, etc.

[Sturmwolf]

At least CA wasnt involved, so this game might actually work! !!!

[Prussian to the Iron]

thats a bit harsh. i'd be willing to bet that a large number of people haven't had any bugs that are too serious with ETW. they just dont post here.

i myself haven't had anything outside of the trade spot ships glitch. and a puckle gun glith, where if you put them into the artillery-wall-thing, then take it off and try to move them elsewhere, they are all screwed up.

[Krauser]

thats a bit harsh. i'd be willing to bet that a large number of people haven't had any bugs that are too serious with ETW. they just dont post here.

i myself haven't had anything outside of the trade spot ships glitch. and a puckle gun glith, where if you put them into the artillery-wall-thing, then take it off and try to move them elsewhere, they are all screwed up.

The big issues aren't so much bugs now. Just the AI and diplomacy need a lot of work. Both RTW and M2TW had pretty much the same problem but CA never made them better. The AI is so suicidal it's not believable. There is no survival instinct. It just declares war on everyone and attempts to throw small armies at all its bordering nations. This time CA has said they are trying to do better, with 1.4 being the first patch to touch the AI. Hopefully, AIs will be more realistic.

[Prussian to the Iron]

if you check the thread i just posted, it'll show you how i was driven out of 3 cities, and lost most of my best army, in completely diferent places, in only 3 turns. plus my enemies co-ordinated attacks.

[Sturmwolf]

Well, the shoe fits, & CA needs to wear it! What good was it to play a game where every single instance of utilizing Ship/Fleet, resulted in immediate CTD? ??! !!! Regardless of numerous reboots, re-installs, others providing help for code/scripting re-write, the minute You clicked on a Ship/Fleet, CTD! !!! Every damned time! !!! My systems can handle/support any game out there, certainly wasnt a software issue either! !!!

Plain & simple: CA did not thoroughly test their game, to work out every single Bug/Glitch. Never had the opportunity to use Navies in ETW, got tired with it & threw it away. 40 Euro mistake.

Damned shame, Shogun TW was excellent, no problems, same with Rome TW, MTW, M2TW; ALL wonderful problem-free games that I have enjoyed. ETW fell disappointingly short! !!!

So if East India Company works, I'll give it a try!

[Prussian to the Iron]

you know, just because it happens to not work right on your computer does not mean the did not thoroughly test it. they cannot possibly take the time to test every single computer configuration possible before release. it would be pushed back at least anothe year.

[Sturmwolf]

Did Not work on all 6 of My Friend's computers either, same exact disc(s) . If You're going to market/sell a product, be damned sure EVERYTHING works! !!! before making it available.

[Husar]

Sturmwolf, your rant is old and outdated, by now these problems have been largely removed and while they shouldn't have been there from the start, finding all bugs in a certain piece of software is almost impossible. That the other Total War games were flawless from the start is also quite wrong.

[pevergreen]

Sturmwolf, your rant is old and outdated, by now these problems have been largely removed and while they shouldn't have been there from the start, finding all bugs in a certain piece of software is almost impossible. That the other Total War games were flawless from the start is also quite wrong.

As it has been stated, this was a good release. I was around (only just mind you) for the release of M2:TW and I thought it was going to be the same. Check pages and pages back in the very start of the E:TW forum here, hardly anyone (read: me and one or two other people) turned up to defend E:TW after the 'horror' of M2:TW.

However, Husar.

Have you done any coding Sturmwolf? I haven't done a whole lot, but I did spend 3 months making a little crappy game with a friend, who is a member here, Sarathos. It was constant programming, bug checking and so forth, yet it was completly full of bugs when we released it. I just couldnt find out what was causing them. And my game was just a little point and click.

Fixing a bug often causes other ones to arise, and then you get stuck in a loop, all the while the community is in an outrage because you havent patched the game for so long, so you release the current one, then the community is in an outrage because you didnt balance test, bugtest and give them free stuff. So you get back to testing and they complain you arent doing anything to fix it, that you're taking too long and that you have lost them as a buyer.

Trust me, I got quite good at that on the DotA forums.

I lost my train of though, L.E.N. is insulting me in broken english ("THE GOVERNMENT WITH YOUR FACE"...what?) and its dinner time.

[al Roumi]

looks kinda crappy. i mean, it is solely naval combat. thats like taking away everything from etw, except for trade and naval combat. im more of a landlubber myself :P

On the other hand, it's arguably focusing exactly on some things that ETW is "kinda crappy" at: Intercontinental trade, economic competiton and of course: Naval warfare.

ETW has a stab at factoring them into the overall game experience, and one has to recognise that there's a lot it tries to include -which would give anyone a headache trying to reconcile with the realities of getting a product to market.

EIC clearly has a much reduced scope to ETW so their team will be better able to concentrate on making it complete.

I for one will be very interested to see how EIC models piracy, trade and naval combat in game terms.

[Hooahguy]

As it has been stated, this was a good release. I was around (only just mind you) for the release of M2:TW and I thought it was going to be the same. Check pages and pages back in the very start of the E:TW forum here, hardly anyone (read: me and one or two other people) turned up to defend E:TW after the 'horror' of M2:TW.

However, Husar.

Have you done any coding Sturmwolf? I haven't done a whole lot, but I did spend 3 months making a little crappy game with a friend, who is a member here, Sarathos. It was constant programming, bug checking and so forth, yet it was completly full of bugs when we released it. I just couldnt find out what was causing them. And my game was just a little point and click.

Fixing a bug often causes other ones to arise, and then you get stuck in a loop, all the while the community is in an outrage because you havent patched the game for so long, so you release the current one, then the community is in an outrage because you didnt balance test, bugtest and give them free stuff. So you get back to testing and they complain you arent doing anything to fix it, that you're taking too long and that you have lost them as a buyer.

Trust me, I got quite good at that on the DotA forums.

I lost my train of though, L.E.N. is insulting me in broken english ("THE GOVERNMENT WITH YOUR FACE"...what?) and its dinner time.

how very true.
id say that most people who just rant about the game about how awful it is (even though its not) need to calm down and look at the facts and overall experiences with other players. nor do they realize that very few games nowadays are bug free due to complexity. only the really simple ones can be guaranteed bug-free, like tetris or pac-man.
i for one never had a sinlge CA-related crash. i feel blessed. the only crash ive had were crashes relating to incompatible mods ive tried out.

[al Roumi]

i for one never had a sinlge CA-related crash. i feel blessed. the only crash ive had were crashes relating to incompatible mods ive tried out.

[We're completely off-topic here but:]

You have no idea how lucky you are if you've not had a single crash!

[Hooahguy]

[We're completely off-topic here but:]

You have no idea how lucky you are if you've not had a single crash!

yeah i know im insanely lucky. i have no idea why ive had no crashes. its really strange. no clicking on fleet crashes, no battle crashes, nothing. just bad AI and diplomacy.

[Slaists]

yeah i know im insanely lucky. i have no idea why ive had no crashes. its really strange. no clicking on fleet crashes, no battle crashes, nothing. just bad AI and diplomacy.

Hehe, you must have stolen one of the systems CA developed the game on ;)

To be honest, I have had very few crashes with ETW, way less than with MTW-2 as it came out originally, but still I have had a few (including the fleet crashes, battle crashes, AI turn crashes). Most of those have been fixed by now (for my system at least).

[al Roumi]

yeah i know im insanely lucky. i have no idea why ive had no crashes. its really strange. no clicking on fleet crashes, no battle crashes, nothing. just bad AI and diplomacy.

As Slaists says, your system must be quite something -or have gold plate generic support!

You could probably have sold it for quite a price on this forum a couple of months ago...

[Hooahguy]

i just think its because i stopped playing after a week (idk really why), left it for 3 months, and now most of the bugs are fixed.

[Slaists]

i just think its because i stopped playing after a week (idk really why), left it for 3 months, and now most of the bugs are fixed.

Well, the original bugs would have shown up even within a week. Your system still must be really good, bro!

[Hooahguy]

not especially. i only played 4-5 turns of a prussian campaign and the rest were MP battles and trying out all the units.

[Fisherking]

I have been following East India Company for a long time. Months before ETW came out in fact, and it looks interesting.

But the topic does belong in the Arena so I am moving it and will leave a tag in parliament for a couple of weeks.

[Prussian to the Iron]

Well, the original bugs would have shown up even within a week. Your system still must be really good, bro!

not necessarily. i too have only had a couple non-mod related CTD's, and none if you don't count the trade spot glitch.

And this computer is 5 years old. admittedly the graphics card is awesome though.

[Reverend Joe]

how very true.
id say that most people who just rant about the game about how awful it is (even though its not) need to calm down and look at the facts and overall experiences with other players. nor do they realize that very few games nowadays are bug free due to complexity. only the really simple ones can be guaranteed bug-free, like tetris or pac-man.

Actually, even Pac-Man apparently has an unfixable bug on the 256th level where the screen gets screwed up and the level is impassible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-man#Split-screen Bugs happen; nothing that anybody can do about it.

i for one never had a sinlge CA-related crash. i feel blessed. the only crash ive had were crashes relating to incompatible mods ive tried out.

Actually, I've never had a CA related crash either... maybe Jews don't get buggy CA games.

[Hooahguy]

Actually, I've never had a CA related crash either... maybe Jews don't get buggy CA games.

whoa whoa whoa you should meet one of my friends.
he literally snapped the ETW disk in half in frustration due to crashes. and he was jewish.

[Prussian to the Iron]

well, thats 3-out-of-4 jews with not buggy games. its a start!

you know, of course, they are just trying to bribe us into becoming their future lawyers right? :P

[frogbeastegg]

Why do the words "Train wreck" come to mind as I view this thread?

This is not the forum to discuss ETW. Even if it were, this thread is about an entirely different game, a game now completely buried by ETW related posts. I'm closing it; it's beyond rescue.

I have started a new thread to replace this one.