while we wait for ETW to be completed

**pevergreen** · 07-22-2009, 09:44

Originally Posted by Husar

Sturmwolf, your rant is old and outdated, by now these problems have been largely removed and while they shouldn't have been there from the start, finding all bugs in a certain piece of software is almost impossible. That the other Total War games were flawless from the start is also quite wrong.

As it has been stated, this was a good release. I was around (only just mind you) for the release of M2:TW and I thought it was going to be the same. Check pages and pages back in the very start of the E:TW forum here, hardly anyone (read: me and one or two other people) turned up to defend E:TW after the 'horror' of M2:TW.

However, Husar.

Have you done any coding Sturmwolf? I haven't done a whole lot, but I did spend 3 months making a little crappy game with a friend, who is a member here, Sarathos. It was constant programming, bug checking and so forth, yet it was completly full of bugs when we released it. I just couldnt find out what was causing them. And my game was just a little point and click.

Fixing a bug often causes other ones to arise, and then you get stuck in a loop, all the while the community is in an outrage because you havent patched the game for so long, so you release the current one, then the community is in an outrage because you didnt balance test, bugtest and give them free stuff. So you get back to testing and they complain you arent doing anything to fix it, that you're taking too long and that you have lost them as a buyer.

Trust me, I got quite good at that on the DotA forums.

I lost my train of though, L.E.N. is insulting me in broken english ("THE GOVERNMENT WITH YOUR FACE"...what?) and its dinner time.

**Hooahguy** · 07-22-2009, 13:40

Originally Posted by pevergreen

As it has been stated, this was a good release. I was around (only just mind you) for the release of M2:TW and I thought it was going to be the same. Check pages and pages back in the very start of the E:TW forum here, hardly anyone (read: me and one or two other people) turned up to defend E:TW after the 'horror' of M2:TW.

However, Husar.

Have you done any coding Sturmwolf? I haven't done a whole lot, but I did spend 3 months making a little crappy game with a friend, who is a member here, Sarathos. It was constant programming, bug checking and so forth, yet it was completly full of bugs when we released it. I just couldnt find out what was causing them. And my game was just a little point and click.

Fixing a bug often causes other ones to arise, and then you get stuck in a loop, all the while the community is in an outrage because you havent patched the game for so long, so you release the current one, then the community is in an outrage because you didnt balance test, bugtest and give them free stuff. So you get back to testing and they complain you arent doing anything to fix it, that you're taking too long and that you have lost them as a buyer.

Trust me, I got quite good at that on the DotA forums.

I lost my train of though, L.E.N. is insulting me in broken english ("THE GOVERNMENT WITH YOUR FACE"...what?) and its dinner time.

how very true.
id say that most people who just rant about the game about how awful it is (even though its not) need to calm down and look at the facts and overall experiences with other players. nor do they realize that very few games nowadays are bug free due to complexity. only the really simple ones can be guaranteed bug-free, like tetris or pac-man.
i for one never had a sinlge CA-related crash. i feel blessed. the only crash ive had were crashes relating to incompatible mods ive tried out.

**al Roumi** · 07-22-2009, 14:30

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

i for one never had a sinlge CA-related crash. i feel blessed. the only crash ive had were crashes relating to incompatible mods ive tried out.

[We're completely off-topic here but:]

You have no idea how lucky you are if you've not had a single crash!

**Hooahguy** · 07-22-2009, 14:35

Originally Posted by alh_p

[We're completely off-topic here but:]

You have no idea how lucky you are if you've not had a single crash!

yeah i know im insanely lucky. i have no idea why ive had no crashes. its really strange. no clicking on fleet crashes, no battle crashes, nothing. just bad AI and diplomacy.

**Slaists** · 07-22-2009, 14:38

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

yeah i know im insanely lucky. i have no idea why ive had no crashes. its really strange. no clicking on fleet crashes, no battle crashes, nothing. just bad AI and diplomacy.

Hehe, you must have stolen one of the systems CA developed the game on ;)

To be honest, I have had very few crashes with ETW, way less than with MTW-2 as it came out originally, but still I have had a few (including the fleet crashes, battle crashes, AI turn crashes). Most of those have been fixed by now (for my system at least).

**al Roumi** · 07-22-2009, 14:54

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

yeah i know im insanely lucky. i have no idea why ive had no crashes. its really strange. no clicking on fleet crashes, no battle crashes, nothing. just bad AI and diplomacy.

As Slaists says, your system must be quite something -or have gold plate generic support!

You could probably have sold it for quite a price on this forum a couple of months ago...

**Hooahguy** · 07-22-2009, 14:59

i just think its because i stopped playing after a week (idk really why), left it for 3 months, and now most of the bugs are fixed.

**Slaists** · 07-22-2009, 15:03

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

i just think its because i stopped playing after a week (idk really why), left it for 3 months, and now most of the bugs are fixed.

Well, the original bugs would have shown up even within a week. Your system still must be really good, bro!

**Reverend Joe** · 07-22-2009, 16:12

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

how very true.
id say that most people who just rant about the game about how awful it is (even though its not) need to calm down and look at the facts and overall experiences with other players. nor do they realize that very few games nowadays are bug free due to complexity. only the really simple ones can be guaranteed bug-free, like tetris or pac-man.

Actually, even Pac-Man apparently has an unfixable bug on the 256th level where the screen gets screwed up and the level is impassible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-man#Split-screen Bugs happen; nothing that anybody can do about it.

i for one never had a sinlge CA-related crash. i feel blessed. the only crash ive had were crashes relating to incompatible mods ive tried out.

Actually, I've never had a CA related crash either... maybe Jews don't get buggy CA games.

**Hooahguy** · 07-22-2009, 16:14

Originally Posted by Reverend Joe

Actually, I've never had a CA related crash either... maybe Jews don't get buggy CA games.

whoa whoa whoa you should meet one of my friends.
he literally snapped the ETW disk in half in frustration due to crashes. and he was jewish.

**Prussian to the Iron** · 07-22-2009, 16:17

well, thats 3-out-of-4 jews with not buggy games. its a start!

you know, of course, they are just trying to bribe us into becoming their future lawyers right? :P

**frogbeastegg** · 07-22-2009, 16:44

Why do the words "Train wreck" come to mind as I view this thread?

This is not the forum to discuss ETW. Even if it were, this thread is about an entirely different game, a game now completely buried by ETW related posts. I'm closing it; it's beyond rescue.

I have started a new thread to replace this one.