Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Might as well do a Tally.

Haudegen: 3 (Askthepizzaguy, slashandburn, White Eyes)
Shinseikhaan: 3 (Double A, Tincow, Louis the Fat)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Khaan)

[Splitpersonality]

Could it have to do with his red text possibly?

I doubt it, unless his red text was something about how he was already a doctor.

Though now that I think about it more, it IS possible that someone's red text would allow them to progress down a chosen "career path" faster, I mean it's as plausible as anything else at this point.

ATPG has stated he is unsure of his allegiance though, so I'm not sure what that does for him, it's either really good or really bad haha.

[Double A]

[QUOTE=White_eyes:D;2340273]I didn't like head games....so I deleted it

You have been messing with me since the start of the game

You even went so far as to call me a "Lapdog" of ATPG, so I would lynch CR....

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I totally washed my hands of you this game

Since when does a PM refer to someone as White?

[White_eyes:D]

That's how you can tell there not faked like CR's one....White_eyes:D's always has some big-time copy and paste issues.

Edit: That was Reenk upset that I did something he didn't want...then about 10 secs later he sent me one back, which I sent back....you get the picture....the PM's looks like swiss cheese after awhile..

[Askthepizzaguy]

Though now that I think about it more, it IS possible that someone's red text would allow them to progress down a chosen "career path" faster, I mean it's as plausible as anything else at this point.

Wouldn't he have suggested at the very least that he knows why? That does not seem plausible to me.

[Splitpersonality]

Well you know, you're not supposed to talk about red text and all, but it would seem like a logical idea to even drop a hint.

Perhaps a host error?

[Andres]

You have yourself saying 'your innocent' but me replying 'He' ?

You call someone a communist? I that me? Or Chaotix like mentioned but not removed.

2nd person to third person makes no sense and is a dead giveaway of a fake PM.



It's most likely khaan, though it could be Atpg. Haudegen is probably only beaten in innocence by the doctors...

The twin killers we've seen earlier but not recently were gibsons and White eyes, who were trying to do a start up (maybe with khaan's family?). The reason they were able to hide very well was because of their vig killing against the remaining families (Ichigo, w&f, and so on).

I know that the violin killer was inactive on a night Haudegen was busy with something.

If it's not 'khaan, then it's Haudegen. I don't know about your victory conditions, but as a townie, I'm not interested in getting rid of CIA agent ATPG.

He's only an option if the game doesn't end with the lynching of both 'khaan and Haudegen, because of the combined kill with GH early in the game.

[Reenk Roink]

To White eyes (and Andres)

"As to the deceased: Moros was a a wiseguy and known small-time criminal. We had no indication however, that he was working with the mafia. Reenk Roink was an innocent townie, and other for his last attempt on Sasaki, is only known to have killed at the bidding of this committee as it's Director. These losses clearly did not help the town."

WE, not only do you have to explain your obviously fake PM's, but the fact that I am a confirmed townie, and you are not.

edit: Andres, it's clear that Atpg isn't the CIA agent. khaan might be (he could also be the Don). There really is no reason to suspect Haudegen, look at the failed vig kill, how did he survive? Luck...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Townie:

A townie has no special abilities – at least at the start. Most Townies will appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective, though 1 in 6-8 will appear “criminal” despite their innocence. If investigated by a Made, most will appear “innocent” though 1-2 in 6 will appear “unclear.” Townies may band together to kill one target per night phase, but must do so in groups of 4. If this strategy is chosen, you will appear “guilty/criminal” in subsequent investigations. Townies who have successfully accomplished 2 murders will all change roles to Wise Guy(Gal). Townies may also band together in groups of 3 to provide protection to one Townie (not in their group), functioning as a Doctor. 2 successful protections (attacked, did not die) allow them to select one of their group as a full Doctor. Each subsequent successful protection will result in another member being promoted.

That's just it... it is possible that the other two may have had protections but couldn't get promoted to doctor, if the host is liberal about what comprises a group.

Or, one of Sasaki and ACIN was a doctor. That could have pushed Tincow into it faster.

If Sasaki had been orchestrating protections to become a doctor, and then Tincow was added to the group, it may be possible for Tincow to leap to doctor's status with one protection. Assuming Sasaki had two protections and become a doctor, but was leaning going mafia anyway, and wanted to act as a doctor protecting them, then Tincow could become one, I believe...

[Askthepizzaguy]

edit: Andres, it's clear that Atpg isn't the CIA agent. khaan might be (he could also be the Don). There really is no reason to suspect Haudegen, look at the failed vig kill, how did he survive? Luck...

Is it true that Dons do not have Luck?

[pevergreen]

That's just it... it is possible that the other two may have had protections but couldn't get promoted to doctor, if the host is liberal about what comprises a group.

[White_eyes:D]

WE, not only do you have to explain your obviously fake PM's, but the fact that I am a confirmed townie, and you are not.

Funny how every time someone quotes one of your PM's, you get all nervous

Your not fooling anyone with that faked stuff...I sent it to everyone in the Vig groups at the time, to make sure that they knew about your "Death threat"

I was messing around with you...just like you were messing around with me..

But you responded very [B]violently[/B, so I had no choice but to double-cross you Reenk..I am sorry..

[TinCow]

Is it true that Dons do not have Luck?

Dons had luck in Capo II, it's listed in the role summary at the end of the game.

My promotion had nothing to do with my red text. Read the Night 6 write-up if you're curious about my red text.

[Reenk Roink]

Funny how every time someone quotes one of your PM's, you get all nervous

Your not fooling anyone with that faked stuff...I sent it to everyone in the Vig groups at the time, to make sure that they knew about your "Death threat"

I was messing around with you...just like you were messing around with me..

But you responded very [B]violently[/B, so I had no choice but to double-cross you Reenk..I am sorry..

Bah, you were so out of it the entire game. Not like you but... But those Pms are clearly faked. Again, explain the talk of communists, explain the second to third person, explain the Reenk = innocent townie.

[seireikhaan]

edit: Andres, it's clear that Atpg isn't the CIA agent. khaan might be (he could also be the Don). There really is no reason to suspect Haudegen, look at the failed vig kill, how did he survive? Luck...

Sure there is. Like, say, CR telling Haudegen to vote for Sasaki to tie it up so I would let both off.

[Reenk Roink]

Sure there is. Like, say, CR telling Haudegen to vote for Sasaki to tie it up so I would let both off.

Breaking the Mafia alliance. Scummy even for scums... And trying to scapegoat Haudegen?

[seireikhaan]

Breaking the Mafia alliance. Scummy even for scums... And trying to scapegoat Haudegen?

Hardly, I want Pizza dead first.

[TinCow]

Alright, I hate to do this, but I'm going to have to back off of my accusation of ATPG because there is a hole in my theory. The problem is that the N2 kill with GH has no sign of any signature that is remotely similar to the violin killer. ATPG's signature is the umbrella killer, which shows up again in his N12 kill of Pannonian, the N13 attempt on Chaotix, and the N14 attempt on Chaotix.

Please accept my apologies, because ATPG's signature is very noticable and that makes it impossible that he's in the same family as the violin killer. 'khaan could very well be the last remaining Don, but if he is I don't think ATPG is working with him.

[Reenk Roink]

We all want certain things, but most won't get it.

There is one guy more than anyone else who got so badly screwed this game, that it just boggles the mind. This really was his game for the taking, and his play was incredible but his luck was terrible (like CountArach-esque in the Settlement).

I bow to him now.

[pevergreen]

I bow to him now.

[White_eyes:D]

Does anyone in this game....know what Reenk is trying to do? his agenda for being a "innocent townie" is bad for his odd behavior...

1.He tried to kill Sasaki solo, when he was supposed to kill CR...

2.He endlessly claims ATPG's untrustworthy, when he can't throw a candle to Reenk?

3.He sends PM's and then tries to claim there "faked"(Because as an "innocent townie" what would he have to gain?)

I think Reenk is just screwing with everyone to get some "attention"

I know Reenk(How many times did I guess right you were Mafia?)and he thinks that messing around with me will get him his results....but in truth it has done more damage then he cares to admit....WHO helped get the Vig groups in action?

I admit ATPG brought us together but for the last four nights, I was always reminding them to send in there actions...last night I didn't and look what happened..

If Reenk had been more honest, I could have done more of what he wanted...but now thanks to his "deceit"...I went with whatever Pizzaguy said.

If you feel town has lost....then you should look at how you were playing and you will see

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And remember "" Reenk...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Alright, I hate to do this, but I'm going to have to back off of my accusation of ATPG because there is a hole in my theory. The problem is that the N2 kill with GH has no sign of any signature that is remotely similar to the violin killer. ATPG's signature is the umbrella killer, which shows up again in his N12 kill of Pannonian, the N13 attempt on Chaotix, and the N14 attempt on Chaotix.

Please accept my apologies, because ATPG's signature is very noticable and that makes it impossible that he's in the same family as the violin killer. 'khaan could very well be the last remaining Don, but if he is I don't think ATPG is working with him.

Your apologies are accepted sincerely as well.

I was also investigated by the FBI as "Not mafia affiliated". And believe me, I want both Haudegen and Khaan gone, but I fear that the wrong choice could be a problem.

Khaan wants me dead for no reason at all except perhaps his own personal satisfaction. However, it's also possible he's covering for his Don. I don't want any more innocent deaths.

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How come none of the mafia so far this game have had luck? All the mafia have died by vigilante killings on the first try except when they were protected by someone. Can anyone point to a single instance of a mafioso surviving nights due to luck?

A Don normally cannot kill opponents during a “night” phase, and must work through others. Normally, however, they appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective or made, so they can camouflage themselves well. Even the FBI detective is unlikely to spot them. If the Don has lost all the other members of her/his family, they may perform 1 kill per “night” phase. However, subsequent to any such killing they will be identified as “guilty” if investigated by a detective, and “criminal” if investigated by a made.

In addition, a Don is normally protected by their Luca, making them effectively unkillable. Should her/his Luca not be functioning in “protection” mode, the Don may be killed as would any other Townie.

Ok subsequent... subsequent... that means once a Don goes rogue, he's always id'ed as guilty, not "innocent" as I originally thought.

Haudegen= innocent N2, Guilty N13
Khaan= guilty N8, N13,


Was the Beretta killer mafia still having at least two members by night 8?

[Reenk Roink]

Sigh, you're so out of it WE. I never claimed your legit PM about me asking you to join Mafia wasn't legit did I? I just said there was another one later saying it was to get you to convince Atpg to lynch CR.

The ones about Chaotix was definitely faked. You stopped bothering to answer about "White" (do I ever call you "White" - use WE, White eyes or White_eyes:D next time...), the switch in the speaker, and the thing about communists all testify to it.

The CR/Sasaki attack has been beaten to death before. Again, "blame" lies on Atpg and maybe Caius (though everyone knows he was sick and he should have never been recruited). You don't just have people do things without asking them, especially if they have told you before they are busy with attacking Sasaki (like I did).

You've been right 1 time (WotN, wrong many times about me being Mafia (we went over this in PM). Chicago Soiree? GF3? This game?

I've attacked Atpg for the reasons that others are attacking Atpg now...

Again, you've only lurked in the thread until I exposed you as the killer you are, now you're desperately trying to throw dirt on me. Well, my record speaks for itself, and yours does for you.

How come none of the mafia so far this game have had luck? All the mafia have died by vigilante killings on the first try except when they were protected by someone. Can anyone point to a single instance of a mafioso surviving nights due to luck?

How come Sigurd died due to YLC and not me? We don't know a lot of things. TC may be right about Dons maybe having luck, but again, the case on Haudegen doesn't make sense. khaan should go first (you second as you agree by night).

[Sasaki Kojiro]

GF3?

Surely you won't hold that one against him?

[Chaotix]

I wouldn't worry about Reenk a whole lot.

If he's playing anything like he usually does, then:

1. He is really a townie.
2. He is making calculated, perhaps seemingly anti-town moves in order to get a reaction from the town that results in its victory.

That's just how Reenk works. It's 'Reenktuition'.

And I know he's not a Communist, because I didn't convert him, and never tried to. So with his confirmed innocent result you have nothing to worry about.

About the Haudegen/'khaan/ATPG mess.

The way I see it:

1. Haudegen is probably a Don.
2. 'khaan is probably also a Don, elevated to the position.
3. ATPG is CIA and anti-town.

I don't think anybody is considering the possibility that both Haudegen and 'khaan can be Dons. After all, there were two distinct single-killers in the previous write-ups: The Violin Bow and the Baretta. The only type of player that can kill singly is a Don or a Serial Killer.

Then ATPG's gotta go, too. Preferably before he can make more pawns like the Death Squad. If split remained commie after my death, then ATPG's cronies will remain such after his death.

[Twilightblade]

I finally have permanent internet again so I'll be doing some catching up unless anyone wants to summarize whats happened all week for me

[Jolt]

Sigurd...
Told you so.

In any case TinCow, as for ATPG in Night 2, unless he can investigate and kill at the same time, he didn't kill in that Night.

[Reenk Roink]

Ok now just end it...

[TinCow]

In any case TinCow, as for ATPG in Night 2, unless he can investigate and kill at the same time, he didn't kill in that Night.

ATPG confessed to making that kill...

[Double A]

I finally have permanent internet again so I'll be doing some catching up unless anyone wants to summarize whats happened all week for me

You were elected director, some people died, and ATPG took a step over crazy for about five minuets.