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From : Askthepizzaguy
To : Sigurd
Date : 2009-09-16 16:45
Title : The wolf
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Sigurd-
Forgive me if this comes out of left field, but I had to ask you about it before I did something rash.
Back at the beginning of this game you mentioned you might have the ability to obtain "favors" from the mafia. That sounds an awful lot like the "
wolf" in the original capo game, but I cannot find a full description of that role anywhere, even in the endgame notes. Just snippets like... friend of the mafia, can block mafia from being investigated, etc. All game long the lucas and mades and even dons have been dropping like flies, so it seems strange to imagine you would possibly have a "friend to all mafia" kind of role. But you're also the source of an
unprecedented 4 investigations per night... and your predictions have been accurate too, regarding criminal or innocent or what have you. You've got a criminal result from a couple sources and a questionable. One seemingly trustworthy source says you're criminal, but "No mafia ties".
Still... I worry... I worry and worry... that somehow, things have been going almost
too well. Perhaps one family has been gaining recruits all game and they've just been keeping quiet. Perhaps I'm being led around by the nose... perhaps I am just a tool, a pawn. A poor player, fooled by masters, instrumental in propelling one family to the heights of victory, at the expense of the other 4 families. 4 Mades dead... 4 Lucas dead. What about the fifth ones? The Dons were killed off rather inelegantly. What happened to the double eagles? What happened to the largest family? I sincerely doubt that they grew to the size of being able to kill off two people a night and then suddenly disappeared without a trace. Even if their Don were somehow killed, their mades and wiseguys must have joined another family. I was told by an apparent townie that I am being "played... badly" and to not trust the investigation results. I worry that my legacy for this game will be reduced to the laughable and sad role of "useful idiot".
That you can somehow gain favors from the mafia and yet aren't on their side doesn't add up to me. How? How could you gain a favor from the mafia if you're set on their destruction? Still.... "No mafia ties".... from the guy who admittedly can do solo kills, so is likely not a Don... I find it hard to believe there is no "Wolf" role... it seems to me that Seamus reprised many roles from previous games, such as "crusader"-like teams, serial killers based on public words, etc. I understand the "Wolf" was a popular role. Why wouldn't Seamus include one?
It seems to be too late. There's nothing I can do. If I was fooled all this time because I failed to do a proper read through of Capo I and Capo II, and let a pertinent and interesting bit of information slip through the cracks in my brain... then this is all my fault. And I remember you mentioning in passing something along the lines of either myself or Diana rising to the rank of Capo di tutti capi, but that discussion quickly dropped when I suggested I could never become mafia. Your voting and your investigation results on others, and the investigation on yourself... that all points to you being a supporter of the town. You've assisted the other players in putting down mafia left and right. But... the
wolf was never found. Your early communications with me point to a wolf-like role. Your result was criminal. You suggested I might try to become the Capo, or to have Diana as the capo... or what have you. If I can just find the darn PMs in my archive somewhere... ah, here it is.
Originally Posted by
Sigurd
This is Capo de Tutti Capi after all. It should at least be considered to win the big price if you have the chance. It is all about eliminating your competition. Right now - the communists are competition and so are the 5 original families. I guess the FBI, CIA, Detective and Doctor roles are too.
It will be any townie and wise guy's dream to reach for the big price. Maybe you and me are too high profile to reach it. That doesn't mean we can't consider it or maybe plan for someone less high profile to claim it. Diana for instance?
Originally Posted by
Sigurd
That they are taking Diana down with you - suggests that you have traitors in your midst. Is it the Communists? As I said - the families should not be too unhappy about your effort in this regard, unless they made a deal with them.
Do you have any list over your crew and what they claim to be? The investigations should indicate if they are truthful. You gave me an earlier list with a few names stroked out. What clears them?
As I normally say to those that I work with in these games - two sets of eyes are better than one. This is especially true when it comes to host results and other information spread around. I might sit on info that I don't think note worthy but might be crucial to interpreting information.
That Diana has been implicated in a - rise to the top - plot - invalidates my earlier PM about the same. The townies or Mafia will not let her survive until the end. This game should have taught the families to trust no-one in the end game. It will be interesting to see how this will play out.
The final luca has not appeared, the final starting made has not appeared, and one family was doing very well midway through the game. The idea that you can gain favors from the mafia... Bottom line... I fear I cannot totally trust you.
Is there anything you can say that might calm my fears?
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From : Askthepizzaguy
To : Sigurd
Date : 2009-09-16 21:55
Title : The Capo
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Originally Posted by
Sigurd
Originally Posted by
Askthepizzaguy
Is there anything you can say that might calm my fears?
I can say this - Our portion of the state budget on security is about 8 to 2 where you get the 2 and we get the 8.
Blast... my google-fu isn't strong enough to locate a budget pie chart which would help me here.
Our methods might not be the ideal pro-town. We need to get rid of the Mafia families and help any anti-communist organisation out there.
Interesting... but I haven't witnessed anything coming from you which suggests a danger to the town itself, other than a few comments early in the game. Oh I cannot tell you how anxious I am to see what you were all game after this is all said and done. It's a mystery box I cannot peer inside.
The Wolf, which was a Capo I figure changed in Capo II and became the Shadow. If he/or she? is in this game who knows what this changed to?
The Shadow? Can you fill me in on what that one was?
Sasaki keeps asking for the Wolf. Why?
Where did he ask for the wolf, got a link?
Is he a Don wanting to send the Wolf a message?
He's certainly a suspected Don.
Or does his role have ties to a Wolf?
Not a clue... but his refusal to do vigilante groups makes me anxious.
He got another innocent recently and I noticed that you didn't make a fuss about it. Apparently he checks out and have done no vigilante kills?
No, he doesn't check out. He claims to have been responsible for a protection action on YOU of all people, with LittleGrizzly, and an UNNAMED third person.
The writeup does not match this at all, IMO. You read it and you tell me... I see 4 or 5 people protecting you. I don't see seven or eight.
And he was willing, apparently, to do a vigilante kill on White_Eyes as early as round one or two, but after that... no, no, just protections.
He does have a point that he continually asked me to put him into protections that would end up getting attacked, and I claimed it was a waste of manpower, which it was, until now. Let's see what happens.
You are worried that you have been played. Yes, you could have been. But you have gotten 3 out of 5 Dons and many Mafia affiliated players too.
That may be, but it's entirely likely, especially if I have been played, that the remaining family or families may be redoubling in power to fill that gap.
But as I said to you in the earlier rounds - This is Capo de Tutti Capi. Some of your vigilante teams will try to reach for the ultimate Mafia title.
I figured as much. I have some plans forming in my head regarding turning the trustworthy vigilantes against the suspicious ones, and then we slap the remaining vigilantes in the director's chair one at a time and check for criminal status.
I
think it should work...
It is just a matter of time before someone close to you will turn on you - most likely in the last rounds.
I figure. Especially because I had a person with a questionable result protecting me.
I believe that most of the townies and wiseguys playing smart in this game will be pro-town as long as possible, gaining trust with the incorruptible and warring the Mafia families. I said it before - this is the worst game to be a Mafiosi in. You have nearly no chance. There is the other families you make war with and the pro-town you have to dodge. And you know that every townie wants to replace you as head of a family.
Is it really that bad? I have a lot of claimed incorruptibles and proven incorruptibles remaining... if the claimed ones kill off the non-claimed ones, and the proven incorruptibles lynch the claimed ones...
Aye, I suppose it isn't that simple.
My role can't change and I am not affiliated with Mafia.
That's what the investigation result suggests, according to my source.
Everyone gets a little scrutiny... I'd be a bad player if I didn't at least consider the possibility of being used.
I win if the CIA/FBI kills all the Communists. I win if I can get rid of all the Mafia families. I am on your side.
It sure seems that way. I just get a cold chill when everything seems to be going so right, but strangely, known mafia seem more confident than ever.
All you need to do is to identify the last commies and I will help you get rid of them. That is your primary goal no?
It's seemingly my
only goal. I just believe the mafia are a nuisance and a threat to me, and the doctors and investigators assisting us in our goals.
And it is ever so much fun to watch them die.
Truman has apparently need for us here to watch the "Italians" after our cloak and dagger operations in Italy recently. They worry about a Communist - Italian gangster cooperation to stir up America. I am here to see that this does not happen.
Cooperation?
I had been under the impression that the communists were enemies of the mafia. CountArach had fingered Scottishranger, and the last one that I'm aware of has been helpful in protecting people and lynching mafia. My role also implied that the mafia would be somehow useful in helping me crush them. I am puzzled. Some wiseguys have volunteered for the mission (under threat of death, mind you...). I don't get it.
I have resources at with which I can keep tabs on the Mafia and apparently have a virtual mole inside the Mafia communication network.
That's a pretty awesome thing.
I am not getting anything any more - maybe we got all of the Dons? or that there is only one Don left - with no one to message?
With Pannonian and LittleGrizzly dead, it is possible. But I believe we have two still. I am trying to err on the side of caution so if several mafia attacks happen, I don't soil myself.
If the Dons of the families are gone - We should worry about who would likely be going for the big price.
I thought that the game ended when all 5 Dons and any new "hatched" dons were dead.
It does seem un-balanced towards the Mafia, but I suspect there are similar roles to us among them... maybe those roles landed on less experienced players? Who knows?
Possible, but most of the remaining players are experienced and none of the dead appear to have a nonstandard mafia role, other than the communists.
I do not for a second doubt that
TinCow,
Sasaki or
Shinseikhaan will stay pro-town to the end. Neither any of your non-doctor/detective "friends" either.
Tincow admits he is a wiseguy who was weighing his options. He will stay with the town for now, until it suits him otherwise. That's about as loyal as the non-protown roles get. And that's if he's not already mafia.
Sasaki? I believe he is already a Don until proven otherwise. It's not the most fair system of justice, but he is a suspect until I can clear him. Why isn't he dead yet? Look at Sasaki's play this game... it is not his standard play. He is usually much more outspoken and in-charge when he is a townie. He is simply biding his time... if he's not already mafia, he will become one if the opportunity presents itself to destroy the town and join the winning team. Shinseikhaan is poised and ready to be mafia now, with all the kills he did. He's in the same boat as TinCow, except he's consciously tried to kill off pro-town roles. He's skating on thin, thin, thin ice with me. As far as I am concerned, he should have already been dead for his admission that he was trying to destroy the town.
On the other hand, TinCow is active and willing to send in orders.
I am thinking
CR,
Chatoix or
White_eyes:D would likely grab the price if given the chance.
Crazed Rabbit would have been the target if Sasaki hadn't broken the tie. Chaotix tried to have me killed several times early in the game with his lynch vote. White Eyes has like 5 vigilante kills or more to his name.
What about
slashandburn? you said he should have a guilty result by now... He claims to be a detective right? Are detectives even able to join vigilante groups?
Claims to be some kind of FBI agent, yes, so does Prole. I know they cannot join in mafia-sanctioned kills, don't know about vigilante groups. Slash claims credit for being in one successful vig group.
And
Proletariat? We haven't, well I haven't, heard from her since way back when.
I'm in contact, we've almost finished filling out the loyal/questionable list. The loyals outnumber the questionables by a large ratio.
There are still over 25 players left ... enough to fill a large game. There is plenty of time to worry about losing yet.
Most large games don't have a chance of starting with 8 or more mafia in the same family. This is the tail end of what might have started off as a balanced game, but could be decidedly unbalanced now. We mustn't be overconfident, we could be losing this battle. Vigilance, always vigilance.
The goal of getting all the families is nearly complete. It is the post family game that will become interesting. It will be dog eats dog. Mark my words.
I am unsure what role I would play in such a game. Without a core townie group to associate with, and no one to protect me, and no communists to destroy, and no ability to detect innocent players versus communists, I would become an empty shell.
I suppose I could scan the players myself and see if there are any commies left, or join in protection groups.
I doubt I will live to see the day.
That's why I wanted to check if you could/would be interested in letting f.ex you girlfriend climb to the throne. Which implied our combined victory over the Italian mobsters and the Communists.
Sigurd
Now, if you cannot change roles... and you'd be interested in seeing someone become the Capo... but you aren't mafia... my brain hurts.
I know this much: I need a break. I've been overworking myself and overthinking things, perhaps. If the mafia is almost dead but there will be some kind of post-apocalyptic post-Don era of townies brutally slaughtering each other all to become the last family standing, and I cannot try to ascend to the throne myself or even join the winning team, then a merciful bullet to my brain would seem to be in order, and all my efforts to save the town have been futile.
I really thought the game ended when all the Dons were dead. Do you have information suggesting otherwise?
And that's all... I have to log off now. I didn't get nearly enough sleep today for this stuff...
Next time I play mafia, I'm going to be a lurker. Soooo much easier.
I would love to see the Don role PM, out of curiosity.
Re: Capo di Tutti Capi III (IN PLAY)
), and Rhyfelwyr was because he had a criminal result and voted for me instead of discovery1 (questionable). Chaotix and Split were both questionable, but I never looked into either of them further. When it came to the commies, I was not as reluctant to shoot before all questions were answered. It was a race against the FBI after all, and I wanted credit for ending them without the FBI's help. I had hoped that any mistakes made while hunting Reds would be overlooked by the town. It seems every one of my mafia- and rogue-partnerships to nightkill were totally off the mark.
Blame ATPG for that - he messed up the protection orders on the same night me and sombody else hit johnhughton.
I'd contacted Kommodus early on in proceedings, [before this debacle] at which point I found out that she was his contact and a high priority target. The night Askthepizzaguy had told me Johnhughthom needed covering, I had already agreed with Kommodus to protect Prole.
. On ATPG's orders didn't seem very comforting, particularly when ATPG's reply was something along the lines of...."I have no groups available".....I also recall telling him in a PM after we tricked shlin into killing himself "Is that what you told Diana before she died?"(I later apologized, that was a hit below the belt
)
neither are really evil or improper...
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