Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[Centurion1]

Where is your proof reenk roink. while your large letters almost convince ,

i would like a little more proof......

[naut]

Psychonaut, why did you specifically remove Jooray from my list?

I'm a dead townie. Unlike you Mr. Mafia.

[Myrddraal]

RR, I'm not too happy about people standing up and saying: "I know this person is mafia! Follow me mob!"

Could you give a little more detail? Was it you that was doing the infiltrating? Why would the mafia want to accept someone who can't kill (director)? What are these other places which gave you knowledge of CR?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Very well. How many nights can you verify his whereabouts, and did he send in the order?

We never ended up sending in orders. However when I asked him if he was up for an attack/defend group he asked to be part of the defense which looks pretty good for him.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm a dead townie. Unlike you Mr. Mafia.

This doesn't answer my question.

[Lord Winter]

When I successfully explained myself about the FH matter you came out of the blue trying to not let the town forget my "case". Now you have a lurker who is completely unaccounted for his activities you are saying to let him slide a couple more days? Yeah, right.

Not slide, go after the better lynch targets first. I was by far not the only, or even the most vocal, for your lynch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

We never ended up sending in orders. However when I asked him if he was up for an attack/defend group he asked to be part of the defense which looks pretty good for him.

Agreed. Besides, we can check up on him. I trust your voucher for now.

[Reenk Roink]

RR, I'm not too happy about people standing up and saying: "I know this person is mafia! Follow me mob!"

Could you give a little more detail? Was it you that was doing the infiltrating? Why would the mafia want to accept someone who can't kill (director)? What are these other places which gave you knowledge of CR?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Had a hunch LW was Mafia, and he was getting heat from many people a round ago.

So I send him a nice PM saying I hope his family will win. He responds with some smilies ( ).

Soon, after my telling people to vote Ironside (which I'll remind you came with not much more than "do it please because I say so") which got LW off the hook, I again send him a PM saying "I told you so"

He at this point confirms that he is Mafia but is too skeptical to allow me to say hi to the rest of his buds. I still want him alive to continue the work so we get only Ironside lynched at that point.

So we BS a lot, blah, blah, blah, and I start going to other leads.

So I say CR is Mafia (again, exactly the same way as I did Ironside... hmmmmmmmm ).

Then LW tells me that they have been working together.

So in sum, I learned no new Mafia, but did learn that two worked together, which I guess is better.

People, you have been following detective results which are very inconclusive from Gmen who don't even have the exact townie interests at heart.

Why not follow your townie friend Reenk who actually does first hand investigative work for you?

[edit] Ok, will the 10 people that knew about Lord Winter from me at least go and vote for him. This shouldn't be so hard...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Had a hunch LW was Mafia, and he was getting heat from many people a round ago.

So I send him a nice PM saying I hope his family will win. He responds with some smilies ( ).

Soon, after my telling people to vote Ironside (which I'll remind you came with not much more than "do it please because I say so") which got LW off the hook, I again send him a PM saying "I told you so"

He at this point confirms that he is Mafia but is too skeptical to allow me to say hi to the rest of his buds. I still want him alive to continue the work so we get only Ironside lynched at that point.

So we BS a lot, blah, blah, blah, and I start going to other leads.

So I say CR is Mafia (again, exactly the same way as I did Ironside... hmmmmmmmm ).

Then LW tells me that they have been working together.

So in sum, I learned no new Mafia, but did learn that two worked together, which I guess is better.

People, you have been following detective results which are very inconclusive from Gmen who don't even have the exact townie interests at heart.

Why not follow your townie friend Reenk who actually does first hand investigative work for you?

They are named and shamed, Reenk. I believe the town can be "vigilant" toward them tonight. I do believe you and I do believe they both need to go down.

I ask that we try for the Dons for the lynch, because they are harder to be "vigilant" towards.

However that is my opinion, let's all decide how we want to play this. A double Crazed Rabbit/Lord Winter lynch, or shall we try for one of those and a Don, or... whichever. Please bring me someone good.

[Tratorix]

They are named and shamed, Reenk. I believe the town can be "vigilant" toward them tonight. I do believe you and I do believe they both need to go down.

I ask that we try for the Dons for the lynch, because they are harder to be "vigilant" towards.

However that is my opinion, let's all decide how we want to play this. A double Crazed Rabbit/Lord Winter lynch, or shall we try for one of those and a Don, or... whichever. Please bring me someone good.

I personally think the Dons are a lesser threat, as they can't kill unless they are the last member of their family, and by that time they're pretty much declawed. Besides, if your list contains all of the players who haven't been cleared as a Don, its probable we could take a few down easily. And Reenk was right about Ironside, so...

[Crazed Rabbit]

What are you talking about Reenk? If people investigate me, they'll find the result is the same (those with the results know what I'm talking about) - which means I'm not family affiliated.

And you say I'm mafia because another alleged mafia, who didn't give up any of his associates, suddenly decides to confirm that I'm mafia? You don't think maybe he didn't trust you (see the whole him not giving up his associates) so he lied to you about me?

That's if, of course, you're telling the truth about this whole thing. How a real mafioso would respond to someone visibly pro-town with smilies when you say you hope their family wins is beyond me.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

I personally think the Dons are a lesser threat, as they can't kill unless they are the last member of their family, and by that time they're pretty much declawed. Besides, if your list contains all of the players who haven't been cleared as a Don, its probable we could take a few down easily. And Reenk was right about Ironside, so...

I personally want the Dons brought to justice ASAP, however I'll defer to the judgment of the town. This is your game, and if you can bring me both suspects, I'll deal with them. But let us NOT allow those suspected Dons to go unquestioned.

[Tratorix]

I personally want the Dons brought to justice ASAP, however I'll defer to the judgment of the town. This is your game, and if you can bring me both suspects, I'll deal with them. But let us NOT allow those suspected Dons to go unquestioned.

I'm not saying we should just let them go on their merry way, I'm saying that they are a lesser threat than active mades and lucas with the ability to kill each night. They'll get their turn.

[Tratorix]

Oh, also, Unvote: Lord Winter until Reenk posts these pms conversations in the thread.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not saying we should just let them go on their merry way, I'm saying that they are a lesser threat than active mades and lucas with the ability to kill each night. They'll get their turn.

That's acceptable. But since many of these refuse to answer the probing questions which could clear them of suspicion, by the way... I need town to pressure them, because the questions about their innocence are legit.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well as Sigurd pointed out, Dons become serial killers when they lose their families. And we have a couple dons close to that, I think. Plus taking out a Don does more damage to a family than taking out one made.

So vote:beefy

CR

[Reenk Roink]

Wow you were right CR, the Mafia is 1000000000000000000000x more generous than this town.

Why'd you do this Reenk? You're just a townie, you could join us. We could toss white gloves on our enemies at the very end of the game. You're the one forgetting the good times, betraying your old buddy for what? The ungrateful town that insists on voting ATPG as director?

CR

Voting for me, eh? I thought the mafia strategy was not to start civil war until the town was dead?

Or should I spill the beans on how you went mafia and joined Lord Winter's family, and how he is most definitely a mafia killer?



So why don't we all just make nice and friendly until the town is dead?

CR

I agree, I feel like a ******* ***** for betraying these guys, because aside from being cautious, they seem much more reasonable and gracious for my help than the ******* town is, despite the things I have done for the town at the expense of the Mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

mmmk I am convinced.

Please bring me the Lord and the Rabbit. I want a double.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Fake Pms. That's impressive!

Wait, didn't the mafia supporting Sasaki of Capo II get me, the FBI detective, lynched by posting 'PMs' in the thread? Yes, yes he did.

And why would you vote just me and not 'reveal' me and Lord Winter until later? That doesn't make any sense.

CR

[Andres]

Fake Pms. That's impressive!

Wait, didn't the mafia supporting Sasaki of Capo II get me, the FBI detective, lynched by posting 'PMs' in the thread? Yes, yes he did.

And why would you vote just me and not 'reveal' me and Lord Winter until later? That doesn't make any sense.

CR

Well, like it or not, it seems like you're going to get lynched.

I think it's best to reveal all your night actions to us and to tell us your starting role

[Reenk Roink]

Fake Pms. That's impressive!

Wait, didn't the mafia supporting Sasaki of Capo II get me, the FBI detective, lynched by posting 'PMs' in the thread? Yes, yes he did.

And why would you vote just me and not 'reveal' me and Lord Winter until later? That doesn't make any sense.

CR

Agreed, posting PM's does absolutely nothing for any case. I just did it because people asked. It should have been open and close when I asked the town to do it because I have never led them wrong, but they ask for "evidence" when they don't realize that evidence is:

1) Easily faked
2) Easily denied
3) Construed in many ways

By the way, what happened CR, is that I knew 100% that LW was Mafia and unrelated I knew that you were Mafia (not absolutely). When I voted you hoping for another Ironside, LW contacted me saying you've been working with them...

[edit] At this point, I'm very unhappily playing my role to it's letter. God I wished I was Mafia and had not told the town about all I told them. 2ez...

[Andres]

Agreed, posting PM's does absolutely nothing for any case. I just did it because people asked. It should have been open and close when I asked the town to do it because I have never led them wrong, but they ask for "evidence" when they don't realize that evidence is:

1) Easily faked
2) Easily denied
3) Construed in many ways

By the way, what happened CR, is that I knew 100% that LW was Mafia and unrelated I knew that you were Mafia (not absolutely). When I voted you hoping for another Ironside, LW contacted me saying you've been working with them...

Wouldn't it be a better idea to lynch Lord Winter then, as you are 100 % he's mafia? After all, the incriminating evidence against CR is a statement from a mafioso?

And what exactly is your evidence against Lord Winter? You can pm me, if it's not to be thrown out in the open.

[Beskar]

I exposed Lord Winter as being Mafia and Reenk Roink protected him and worked with him in killing me off. He pretty much said so, gloating this fact.

So if I am honest, Lynch Reenk Roink and Lord Winter.

[Reenk Roink]

Wouldn't it be a better idea to lynch Lord Winter then, as you are 100 % he's mafia? After all, the incriminating evidence against CR is a statement from a mafioso?

And what exactly is your evidence against Lord Winter? You can pm me, if it's not to be thrown out in the open.

Not exactly. LW has confessed to me to be Mafia, but so has CR at this point. Since both are likely killers and not Dons, if both aren't killed this lynch, that is more kills against us. Going after killers is more important than going after Dons for this reason.

My PM box is swelled, I have no PM's from before 2 days ago (meaning most of the LW PM's initially joining his family are gone). I already posted the relevant CR PM's and his confessions.

Not that it matters, because PM is easily faked, as CR says.

I know you don't like the whole "because I say so" approach Andres, but given that most Mafia exposed have been based on some kind of hunch followed by whatever kind of snooping and not the mostly useless detective results which are better used to classify people into different groups, I really think you guys should listen to me here and double lynch CR and LW.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would point out that Reenk has been very good with his picks. That doesn't mean anything concrete except... he's earned our benefit of the doubt.

[Andres]

Not exactly. LW has confessed to me to be Mafia, but so has CR at this point. Since both are likely killers and not Dons, if both aren't killed this lynch, that is more kills against us. Going after killers is more important than going after Dons for this reason.

My PM box is swelled, I have no PM's from before 2 days ago (meaning most of the LW PM's initially joining his family are gone). I already posted the relevant CR PM's and his confessions.

Not that it matters, because PM is easily faked, as CR says.

I know you don't like the whole "because I say so" approach Andres, but given that most Mafia exposed have been based on some kind of hunch followed by whatever kind of snooping and not the mostly useless detective results which are better used to classify people into different groups, I really think you guys should listen to me here and double lynch CR and LW.

Beskar says we should lynch you, because you killed him. Did you kill Beskar?

[Reenk Roink]

Beskar says we should lynch you, because you killed him.

Then do it, and see how bad at this Beskar is. What has Beskar done for the town except trolling different people?

And no, obviously not. I had slashandburn protected.

If you really want to examine Beskar and his "knowledge" look at how he changed his mind as soon as I put up the thing about Lord Winter working with me to infiltrate.

[Moros]

Gah!

unvote, vote:Lord Winter

Why would Reenk make his own death sentence? If he was a mafioso he would never put himself in the open so much. Also if this guy appears not be maffioso we have a clear suspect, Reenk, instead. But regarding his current record and his likeliness to be indeed a twonie, I'd say let's get LW for a lynch.

Edit: I can vouch his protection of s&b.

[Moros]

Gah now I can vote again due to editing my post. Gah!

unvote, vote: Lord Winter

[Tratorix]

Vote: Lord Winter Reenk has brought us mafia before, I see no reason not to go with this.