Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[Crazed Rabbit]

Wait... are you Crazed Rabbit or DisgruntledGoat? I can't tell, you're basically saying the same thing. I feel like I'm in a Chinese restaurant, reading the place mats. Let's see... I was born in 1983, and that makes me a boar (heh, how about "bore"?) so I'm supposed to marry a rabbit.

DisgruntledGoat very likely failed to send a protection and is rambling on with general accusations. I am doing none of that. I sent in my group protection orders last night, and I am making specific, important, points.

So don't try to associate me with him.

As for Yaropolk, yeah, you caught me... questionable results don't always lead to communists. Sorry.... just like guilty results don't always lead to mafia. It's just the nature of the game. And having the ability to attack people is a stunning revelation, since I've openly admitted to having such an ability since when... round three?

Ah, more distortion. Pretending to be open and honest while really not answering anything. I did not say your ability to kill was a revelation.

First, you are dodging the most important point completely: that you attempted to kill Pannonian. Why don't you admit it? It's obvious from the kill attempt description.

So, I have to ask myself why a very involved person such as yourself would ignore that completely. And it seems to me you are hiding something. If you weren't, wouldn't you be honest about your activities?

You say now you had a 'questionable' result from Yaropolk. But you are strangely silent about Pannonian's "guilt". Judging from your evasive attitude, I think it's likely that you don't have any guilty result from him.

You also completely ignore the allegation that you lied about how your killing ability was a "one-shot" deal.

Not from the mafia, we're not. You're not going to get the town to do your dirty work for you. If you want me dead, come and get me yourselves.

That's funny, because you haven't denied that you've lied to the town and attempted to kill another person after killing the innocent Yaropolk.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

DisgruntledGoat very likely failed to send a protection and is rambling on with general accusations. I am doing none of that. I sent in my group protection orders last night, and I am making specific, important, points.

So don't try to associate me with him.

Very well, I'll keep my criticism pointed and direct. You went from being guilty to criminal, and it's been many hours since you protested those results were in error, and nothing has come to me or the investigators overturning those results. We've lynched people on a lot less than that, even rumor and speculation.

The fact that you sent in protection orders does not make you innocent. In fact, it's perhaps the most incriminating piece of evidence against you... no kill last night would give you your criminal result back if you were an affiliated mobster.

Ah, more distortion. Pretending to be open and honest while really not answering anything. I did not say your ability to kill was a revelation.

Ah, so it is old news! then we can move on.

First, you are dodging the most important point completely: that you attempted to kill Pannonian. Why don't you admit it? It's obvious from the kill attempt description.

Sure. Pannonian is on the suspected Dons list. He's been mostly inactive, has given excuse posts and otherwise not contributed to the town's effort, and we cannot account for his whereabouts at night. He also has questionable results. If town didn't want me to continue hunting commies, they should have kept me as Director. It's my function, and since the commies are definitely not pro-town roles, no one is really protesting that action.

I can do that and help hunt mafia at the same time. In fact, Pannonian is an example where he was two suspects in one. He could have been anti-town in two different ways.

So, I have to ask myself why a very involved person such as yourself would ignore that completely. And it seems to me you are hiding something. If you weren't, wouldn't you be honest about your activities?

No, that does not necessarily follow. Ask DisgruntledGoat about my "honesty" when I'm working on the side of the town. He just hosted a game where I lied right from day one about what I was, and what my abilities were. It completely fooled the mafia and I was vital in taking down not one, but two of them, in a smallish game, before I died. Anyone who feels that being totally honest in a game of mafia is a good idea, is fooling themselves. Ask Taka about my honesty when I'm on the town's side.

However, there's no reason to be dishonest here. Pannonian is a suspected traitor and suspected Don, and he's certainly not vital to our efforts either way, since he can't be bothered to show up and vote. By my count, he's also not likely a pro-town role.

You say now you had a 'questionable' result from Yaropolk. But you are strangely silent about Pannonian's "guilt". Judging from your evasive attitude, I think it's likely that you don't have any guilty result from him.

If I had a good lead on a communist or a Don, and I announced it to the world, don't you think a protection group might have been organized? Would have tipped off his Luca, if he has one, or at least got a bunch of henchmen to protect him. Maybe even some townies who aren't a fan of my methods, would have wasted my time and theirs, accomplishing nothing.

It's also entirely beside the point for today, which is who we should be lynching. Investigative results say you, other people are suggesting Lord Winter. Reenk is also calling for Centurion1's head. And some very shady people are suggesting Reenk Roink is a communist, with little or no evidence thereof, besides his admission that he knows some and is working with them, just like he knows CIA and FBI as well.... hardly conclusive stuff, but feel free to point out a detective result or private message which proves his guilt. I'd be quite interested to know, as you might imagine.

I find it interesting Reenk is being so openly declared a communist by people who are under suspicion. It smells to me like you're trying to get my attention and get me to knee-jerk vote for him on suspicion of being a commie, because you know I'm not a fan of commies. I'm not that single-minded, you'll have to do better than that.

You also completely ignore the allegation that you lied about how your killing ability was a "one-shot" deal.

Yes, and I wasn't honest when I originally said I was a wiseguy, to some very innocent townies like TheStranger. I'm just chock full of misdirection. How's Skooma Addict, by the way? Still vital to my organization, or have we cleared that up yet?

That's funny, because you haven't denied that you've lied to the town and attempted to kill another person after killing the innocent Yaropolk.

CR

I wouldn't deny it, because those are the kinds of lies I hope I don't tell; the stupid kind.

I enjoy a good debate, but this is not earth-shattering stuff, and I believe the town is content to let the commies and the FBI/CIA attempt to destroy each other, and the communists help destroy the mafia. The town is focused on the mafia, so all this accusation of communism is stuff only mafia and g-men are concerned with. I wonder why it piques your interest so much, as you're not claiming to be a g-man. That would leave a very interesting option for what you could be, something Reenk's been screaming about for a while, and something even the investigators have concluded.

Who are you trying to convince? I don't think the town is buying it. To me, this seems like a reasonable cover argument to get a bunch of mafia to save you from the lynch, again. People can claim to be swayed by your argument and less obviously spare another mafioso from justice.

We were going to lynch you last round, and we didn't have the conclusive results we have today. Stop squirming and accept your punishment.

[Chaotix]

ATPG's questionable nature doesn't change your guilt, CR.

It was Reenk that exposed you, anyway, not him. But either way, Reenk got you to admit you were mafia and ATPG has guilty as well as criminal investigation results on you. All signs point to you being guilty.



Do I necessarily trust ATPG or Reenk? No. Are they exposing mafia with good backup evidence and a good record so far? Yes.

And besides, if Reenk is really a Communist like you claim he is, than that makes the two of them mortal enemies. With any luck, they might just kill each other off. I'd say even if your claims are true, things are still going to work out for the town.

[DisgruntledGoat]

ATPG's questionable nature doesn't change your guilt, CR.

It was Reenk that exposed you, anyway, not him. But either way, Reenk got you to admit you were mafia and ATPG has guilty as well as criminal investigation results on you. All signs point to you being guilty.



Do I necessarily trust ATPG or Reenk? No. Are they exposing mafia with good backup evidence and a good record so far? Yes.

And besides, if Reenk is really a Communist like you claim he is, than that makes the two of them mortal enemies. With any luck, they might just kill each other off. I'd say even if your claims are true, things are still going to work out for the town.

Reenk is a communist.

edit: For all the Reenk = communist and communist = bad: I have direct lines to both the CIA and FBI as well. Think about that.

Doesn't exactly say he isn't does he.

Not only that, but apparently he attempted to feed slashandburn (an FBI agent) to someone he thought was mafia. Why on earth would Reenk do that while publicly supporting Slashandburn?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Very well, I'll keep my criticism pointed and direct. You went from being guilty to criminal, and it's been many hours since you protested those results were in error, and nothing has come to me or the investigators overturning those results. We've lynched people on a lot less than that, even rumor and speculation.

That's because Seamus hasn't returned and still has not read my PM. So of course he can't have sent anything to the detectives.

The fact that you sent in protection orders does not make you innocent. In fact, it's perhaps the most incriminating piece of evidence against you... no kill last night would give you your criminal result back if you were an affiliated mobster.

Seamus made a mistake. Clearly, I wouldn't have based my entire defense on something that would prove me guilty.

Sure. Pannonian is on the suspected Dons list. He's been mostly inactive, has given excuse posts and otherwise not contributed to the town's effort, and we cannot account for his whereabouts at night. He also has questionable results. If town didn't want me to continue hunting commies, they should have kept me as Director. It's my function, and since the commies are definitely not pro-town roles, no one is really protesting that action.

I can do that and help hunt mafia at the same time. In fact, Pannonian is an example where he was two suspects in one. He could have been anti-town in two different ways.

Did you investigate him? Surely you could spare someone.

No, that does not necessarily follow. Ask DisgruntledGoat about my "honesty" when I'm working on the side of the town. He just hosted a game where I lied right from day one about what I was, and what my abilities were. It completely fooled the mafia and I was vital in taking down not one, but two of them, in a smallish game, before I died. Anyone who feels that being totally honest in a game of mafia is a good idea, is fooling themselves. Ask Taka about my honesty when I'm on the town's side.

Did you discuss this with any townies you trust? Anybody? Or is this another kill you hoped to slip under the radar?

If I had a good lead on a communist or a Don, and I announced it to the world, don't you think a protection group might have been organized? Would have tipped off his Luca, if he has one, or at least got a bunch of henchmen to protect him. Maybe even some townies who aren't a fan of my methods, would have wasted my time and theirs, accomplishing nothing.

Does it look like any mafia has the numbers to organize protections? And lucas automatically protect anyway. I didn't say you should announce it to the town, but discuss it with people.

I find it interesting Reenk is being so openly declared a communist by people who are under suspicion.

Like Beskar? Hmm, guess you're wrong there.

I enjoy a good debate, but this is not earth-shattering stuff, and I believe the town is content to let the commies and the FBI/CIA attempt to destroy each other, and the communists help destroy the mafia. The town is focused on the mafia, so all this accusation of communism is stuff only mafia and g-men are concerned with. I wonder why it piques your interest so much, as you're not claiming to be a g-man. That would leave a very interesting option for what you could be, something Reenk's been screaming about for a while, and something even the investigators have concluded.

I've been hunting communists since the beginning, as a favor to a commie hunter I know.

CR

[TinCow]

Managed to read the thread this time. Though there is no current tally, the current trend seems to be between CR and RR. I understand the moves against a communist from a few people who have that as their own goal, and it is to be expected. However, as I understand it, that's a side goal even for the anti-communist roles and eliminating the mafia is far more important. Thus, I cannot possibly see how RR could be a better lynch than either CR or LW, both of whom have very strong evidence indicating that they are Made/Luca.

Unvote; Vote: CR

I suspect we'll see large numbers of mafioso in the RR voting list. FOS to all of them.

[Reenk Roink]

The thing is CR, your criticisms of Atpg are valid. I shared them and still do. The only thing is Atpg is really in no position to pull a fast one on the town anymore. He is too well in the spotlight. Obviously, nearly every faction knows about his movements. He would be easily lynched should he do something really bad anymore.

This openness to the town paralyzes him from doing bad for the town in many ways.

I don't even very much accept his case against you, because it is unclear whether a normal wiseguy would also have that. Besides, as far as I'm concerned there isn't more that can be done about your guilt, not only did you confess to me, but you confessed in a very specific circumstance that makes the confession nearly certainly genuine. Not to mention that the Gmen have been wrong in their investigations before (if the Atpg version of the story is to be believed about Yaropolk).

I really do feel bad about ratting you guys out, especially you. What the Mafia has done in this game is so reminiscent about what our family did in Capo I where you went ahead and got Pindar, Alex, Xiahou, and others and we were a machine.

Don't think for a second that I didn't want to be a part of that. First of all, I always like Mafia 1000000x more than town. Secondly, so many familiar and friendly faces were in the Mafia, while the town had many skeptical, ungrateful, and slanderous people.

The only problem was, I was also paralyzed. First of all, I'm a townie. Second, I was paralyzed as director for 6 rounds. How could I ever work my way up? Not to mention I was in the same position as Atpg was. People knew what I was doing.

So I leaked what I knew and grudgingly accepted my crappy role fate had given me. I still think you guys are plenty strong, even with the four of you recently exposed. so good luck.

As soon as I die, I might even be rooting for you good guys.

[Crazed Rabbit]

ATPG has been killing innocents in the spotlight and his followers don't seem to mind. I don't mind being lynched when I'm guilty, it's getting lynched again in Capo as a pro-town role that bothers me.

And you, Reenk, have been after me ever since you knew I was looking for commies. Even now I've become you're primary target, after you declaring Lord Winter was mafia yesterday. I'm amazed anyone could believe your story about how you want to become mafia but couldn't because you were director. Like a mafia family would reject the director of the town, or like you couldn't greatly assist the mafia. Or that you 'became trapped' in a townie role because you started as a townie. Either your lying about not being mafia or you're covering for some other role.

CR

[Beskar]

Reenk Roink isn't a communist, that was part of my disinformation campaign which I supplied to the Mafia.

[Reenk Roink]

Unvote: Lord Winter
Vote: Crazed Rabbit

Beskar please try and keep up with the game. Everyone except for a few townies know I'm not a communist. Do you really believe CR, LW, Goat, Centurion, Sasaki believe it at all?

[Askthepizzaguy]

CR, An admitted wiseguy sent me this:

Investigations

1. If you are investigated by a Detective or FBI Detective, you are equally likely to be noted as a “criminal” or as being “unclear.”
2. If you have killed someone in a non-mafia-sanctioned killing, you will register as “guilty.”
3. If you have killed someone as part of a mafia-sanctioned kill team, you will register as “guilty” only on the night of the murder, but will register as “criminal” thereafter even if you were an “unclear” before.

Note numbers two and three. A wiseguy in a non-mafia-sanctioned killing will register as guilty. It doesn't say you'd register as criminal thereafter. Number three, a mafia-sanctioned killing, would have you register as criminal thereafter, but guilty on nights you murder.

So if the detective results are correct, that's conclusive you're not just doing vigilante kills. Your only hope, in my mind, is if the host intervenes and retracts the results.

[Beskar]

I was joking, obviously to gauge responses from CR/Etc, however, Reenk Roink is actually working a mafia though. Have fun.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well I think that's the end of the period.

Alas, I shall go off and start drinking scotch now.

EDIT: I hope Seamus is alright and not really sick or anything.

CR

[woad&fangs]

Vote: Lord Winter

As a result of a PM discussion with ATPG.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think the round has ended, actually.

But if Crazed Rabbit was lynched based on false results from the host, maybe he'd be so kind as to correct those results and grant us... ANOTHER SHRUBBERY!!!

Err... another extension, rather.

Ni.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I think the round has ended, actually.

But if Crazed Rabbit was lynched based on false results from the host, maybe he'd be so kind as to correct those results and grant us... ANOTHER SHRUBBERY!!!

Err... another extension, rather.

Ni.

Sadly, I wasn't at my best. I did **** up that result. The correct result has now been sent to its requester. I will extend the round up to 2300 Eastern (0300 gmt) to allow those who wish to correct this.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Oh sweet merciful goodness I've been saved.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote, vote: Lord Winter

All right, Crazed Rabbit.... but as a wiseguy with a kill under your belt, you're still skating. Only protections for you, yes?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Sure thing, that. Wow, this feels like when you take a turn on a motorcycle too fast and start angling towards the ditch, but then just barely lean in far enough and make it through the turn with the wheels on the last inch of the road.

CR

[Sigurd]

vote: Lord Winter

[Joooray]

Alright, what a day round.

Well, Vote : Lord Winter , then. I always found the case against him more compelling.

I hope for CR that enough people get the chance to retract their votes.

[White_eyes:D]

Unvote:CR Vote:Lord Winter Crazed Rabbit hops out of a bind again

[Tratorix]

Unvote: CR, Vote: Lord Winter. So, does this mean CR is back to only telling the truth again?

[pevergreen]

Unvote: CR, Vote: Lord Winter. So, does this mean CR is back to only telling the truth again?

Hardly.

But pever still does.

[Splitpersonality]

Unvote:CR; Vote: Lord Winter

I just do as the magical pizza man asks.

[Chaotix]

Unvote: CR



I don't know what the tally is, but I'm pretty sure Reenk's got a lot of votes on him, too.

Vote: Lord Winter

For added assurance.

[Lord Winter]

CR, An admitted wiseguy sent me this:



Note numbers two and three. A wiseguy in a non-mafia-sanctioned killing will register as guilty. It doesn't say you'd register as criminal thereafter. Number three, a mafia-sanctioned killing, would have you register as criminal thereafter, but guilty on nights you murder.

So if the detective results are correct, that's conclusive you're not just doing vigilante kills. Your only hope, in my mind, is if the host intervenes and retracts the results.

Didn't I send that to you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Didn't I send that to you?

You're an admitted wiseguy aren't you?

Forums are slow right now...

[LittleGrizzly]

So there was just a mix up in the results ?

(finally caught up on the thread..)

Seems LordWinter is the best suspect in the list..

Vote LordWinter

Had some internet problems should be more active now...

[a completely inoffensive name]

I am confused, who is the bandwagon targeting now?