Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[Lord Winter]

I'm enjoying myself. Plus I have alot of freetime right now.

[Double A]

You are just bandwagoning on Myrddraal's reasoning. Either vote for the man badwagonee, vote with a clear-cut case, or stick to making silly comments, scum!

Vote: Double A

Mafia stooge acin, join me!

Wait are you voting for me for supporting good reasoning?

How did I ever let you guys talk me into org mafia?

[A Very Super Market]

Why are you panicking with a single vote on you?

[CountArach]

I am going to guess that CountArach was investigating "The Stranger" because he is the one who found him?? or was it just write-up purposes??

Nope, no investigating from me.

This is interesting due to what it indicates about the write-ups. Last night I protected CountArach. I haven't received my results PM yet, but I'm positive that neither of my partners showed up (one did not check his PMs to get the orders, the other gave a plausible excuse for not participating after I had submitted mine). I've scoured the write-up for some indication of why CountArach was listed, but couldn't see one. Since Dutch_guy seems to have appeared due to you protecting him, I suspect CountArach appeared because I protected him.

This is an interesting theory and one I think we could play around with. Perhaps someone would be willing to forgo any night action and instead protect a player of their choice on their own? Then we can see if that person appears in the night write-up. Not sure what we can do with it - but knowledge is victory and the more we understand about the mechanics of the game, the better.

The_stranger gets killed. He has french in it and references to Belgians we say. It almost seems as someone is trying to point towards me or Andres.

Well I find the reference to the Mosin Nagant to be more Russian - as that is what they are more known for. So perhaps someone is trying to frame a Russian player (Do we have any?) or myself maybe? I did after all post with a vaguely Russian last name... or Eastern European at the very least in an earlier post when RPing.

FoS: Everyone who is abstaining - it gets us nowhere.

Vote: Caius for this post... if RR was/is your suspect, why not vote for him? Further, what are you basing this on?

I still have 70 posts to read through, and will post anything more after that if I feel that any of it strikes me as strange.

[CountArach]

Haha alright, I have been working on getting something concrete. There is something I have found out that I plan on revealing to everyone later tonight (Approx 2200-2400 CST) after I hear back from some people.

This post strikes me as problematic:
1) What information could possibly be better off if revealed later?
2) Who do you need to hear back from and regarding what?

Vote: CountAnarch

I know. And he didn't even spell CountArach's name right.

I believe Beskar (or perhaps someone else) misspelt my name in the Watchtower one time, and since then pever and perhaps others have called me by other names.

Yeah Traitorix, I don't like that CountArnach guy either.

CountAnarch is just so scummy.

Case in point.

[pevergreen]

I believe Beskar (or perhaps someone else) misspelt my name in the Watchtower one time, and since then pever and perhaps others have called me by other names.

It really seemed to annoy you, plus you called me Pever.

[Andres]

Wait are you voting for me for supporting good reasoning?

How did I ever let you guys talk me into org mafia?

I disagree on the "good reasoning" part.

[Sigurd]

I am thinking the reason for the Mafia not to kill is to gather as much information as possible in the early rounds. I can only speak with my experience as a Don in the last game as reference.

Every family should have at least 3 members. One Don, one Luca and one Made.
That makes 15 mafia at the outset of the game. They will need to recruit wise guys to grow and become powerful.
At least in the last game, Mades could investigate a few players every round. Some wise guys and the other members of the families, except for the Don, come up as criminal.
A Don will keep his Luca as a shield to avoid getting randomly killed. I can't remember if a Made could kill on his own or needed a companion (wise guy or another Made) to be able to kill. The Don could send his Luca out killing with his Made, but that would leave him defenseless unless he had some special ability to survive.

I don't doubt for a second that there are other factions working among us; serial killers among others.
They will be responsible for the first kills in this game until the families has been able to recruit enough.
The families will also be warring between themselves because there can be only one Capo de tutti Capi. And people should not be afraid of lynching players. It is only the pro-town roles which we need to keep. All others including townies are potential Capo de tutti Capi.

I belive we should at least have more that one real candidate for this lynch.
I therefore vote: Beskar into second place after FactionHeir. I have no other motive than removing a potential Capo.

[CountArach]

Unvote: Caius
Vote: Sasaki

I think that now would be the perfect time to reveal some information I have from and about this potentially dangerous player. I am only revealing it now after some thinking about how it will affect people's trust in me in future games, but this is Capo so it...

Two days ago Sasaki sent me the following PM (titled pentangalini):

According to the prologue, we help control for a matter of months. Apparently when we got busted I was demoted back to townie. I say we should group up again, though I don't trust truepraetorian.

Sasaki

He apparently sent the same thing to scottishranger, who I suggest gets killed tonight, or at least lynched tomorrow.

Our odds are extremely slim, but let's attempt it anyway. We should attempt a kill tonight and try to become wise guys. scottish, have you talked to gibson?

Sasaki

He says his red text prevents him from becoming mafia.

unfortunetly.

What role is CountArach?

townie as well. Perhaps it is better to lay low for a while then. Form a protection group perhaps.

Sasaki

I know of a friend actually who would be willing to do a vigilante kill. That would round out our team.

Excellent. I suggest an attempt on white_eyes.

Sasaki

Alright, Ill let him know.

You'll know him once we send our orders, for securities sake.

No one here has a reason to trust me, but on the other hand this is far more compelling evidence than has been posted in the thread anywhere else. If we can't kill a known Mafia member, we should at least kill a traitorous townie.

Someone please protect me tonight...

[Beefy187]

Unvote: Abstain, Vote:ricera10

Better than nothing.

Hopping on a easy target.

Vote: Split

[GeneralHankerchief]

Good enough for me.

Unvote: Reenk
Vote: Sasaki

[a completely inoffensive name]

Are all mafia games this scandalous?

[pevergreen]

This game has had nothing.

I don't even need to explain this vote. And it has nothing to do with anything posted by CA.

Unvote, Vote: Sasaki

[Askthepizzaguy]

If we can't kill a known Mafia member, we should at least kill a traitorous townie.

We were about to kill a known mafia member, which takes precedence over a named and shamed townie.

[The Stranger]

omg... some ppl are seriously going to pay for this...

[CountArach]

We were about to kill a known mafia member, which takes precedence over a named and shamed townie.

Care to elaborate?

[Andres]

Hmmm, I'd like to add that I proposed Sasaki to help organising town in a similar way as he did in Tincow's Rubicon game, but he wasn't very cooperative.

But ATPG is right, lynching a know mafioso takes precedence over lynching a potential dangerous townie.

We can lock Sasaki into a town squad for the rest of the game, forcing him to protect at night and nothing else. If he doesn't follow orders, he gets lynched.

ATPG, what do you have on FactionHeir?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Evidence > trust.

ATPG, if you have something on FH, then put up. Otherwise Sasaki goes to the gallows.

[Andres]

omg... some ppl are seriously going to pay for this...

You can still have a role, TS. If you turn out to be townie after the autopsie, then I suggest you organise town efforts (dead are allowed to pm in this game if I'm not mistaken. Seamus, correct me if I'm wrong, please) to get your revenge.

PM conversation with Sasaki:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Hey Sasaki,


I've been thinking about this and maybe Capo III can be won by using the same methods you used in Rubicon, i.e. locking everybody in organised groups and eliminating all those who don't cooperate?

I was thinking about just posting a long list with orders in the public thread, something like:

A,B,C -> protect D
E,F,G,H -> attack D
D, I, J -> protect K
etc...

And asking everybody to send his orders to Seamus, with all members of his group in CC + three or more people who organise everything in Cc as well.

It worked in Rubicon, so I guess it could work in Capo as well.

Would you want to work together on this?

Andres.

P.S.: It's probably the change of avatar that makes you look more trustworthy than usual

We don't have anyone trustworthy to organize it. Even if you are a townie in this game you can switch sides--so any leader of such a group could betray the whole operation to the mafia. I found several pro town roles in my organizing during rubicon.

Sasaki

Dead can pm in this game and a dead townie can no longer switch sides.

It could be done once the first authopsies (sp?) give us some confirmed innocents.

A.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I understand people are asking for evidence on FactionHeir.

The evidence is, I bank my life that he is a guilty made Stracchi. If the result comes back clean, you can kill me.

[Andres]

I understand people are asking for evidence on FactionHeir.

The evidence is, I bank my life that he is a guilty made Stracchi. If the result comes back clean, you can kill me.

You can be protected at night, ATPG. We can even make two protection squads, to be sure. One of them must have Sasaki in it, to neutralise him next night.

[pevergreen]

We dont find out for 2 day phases, IIRC.

[GeneralHankerchief]

ATPG, I want a little more than that. Just one PM will do. This whole "I bank my life... if I'm wrong, lynch me" is getting to be a tired act.

[Andres]

ATPG, I want a little more than that. Just one PM will do. This whole "I bank my life... if I'm wrong, lynch me" is getting to be a tired act.

No, not a pm. Public. There's no need for secrecy, there are plently of townies to protect an important pro-town role.

Remember that Mades were able to investigate in the previous game, ATPG might as well be scum trying to get rid of another mafioso.

If he pm's you suggesting he's a made, temptation will be too strong to resist joining his family, GH. ATPG claims he has contacted 1/3d of the players; that's scummy in itself.

Public, ATPG.

If you're town, you'll be protected.

[The Stranger]

MASSIVE FOS AT

Pevergreen (for refusing to talk about ptgroups)
Diana (for wanting to start a mafia family)
Sasaki Kojiro (for admitting in pm that he was mafia)
Reenk Roink (for screwing up coordinated ptgroup efforts)


this was supposed to be my masterpiece... omg people are going to pay. I will continue to put in an effort for the town. All townies that trust me now can contact me to organise ptgroups. All the townies that do not yet can contact me after 3 days!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mafia Made Gangster, Stracchi Family.

I think we are in diferent camps...so I think I have to search my Don and talk to him, I don't know, but I will learn what I have to do

Who was then replaced by FactionHeir. But not before he blurted out his affiliation to townie contacts of mine. I was attempting to do this the subtle way, but pointless bandwagons and a wasted round was not what I had in mind.

I've already got my own protection covered, Andres.

I'm aware a confession is hardly credible evidence, but... should I just ignore it and go about my business? I'm willing to go down if FactionHeir comes with.

[CountArach]

Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: FactionHeir

Whilst Sasaki must die, that PM is far more compelling and Sasaki is not a threat for the moment. Not sure why II would claim to be Mafia if he wasn't... then again I don't know why he would say it in the first place.

EDIT: Hmmm, how sure are you that you can trust these townie contacts ATPG? Further, why did you not organise a hit on him last night?

[Jolt]

MASSIVE FOS AT

Pevergreen (for refusing to talk about ptgroups)
Diana (for wanting to start a mafia family)
Sasaki Kojiro (for admitting in pm that he was mafia)
Reenk Roink (for screwing up coordinated ptgroup efforts)


this was supposed to be my masterpiece... omg people are going to pay. I will continue to put in an effort for the town. All townies that trust me now can contact me to organise ptgroups. All the townies that do not yet can contact me after 3 days!

Well, I'm afraid you're probably breaking the rules, as you may be revealing private information that you're not allowed to reveal after your dead. That is unless you're making it up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm think this game was Imperator's first one, and he seemed a little overwhelmed and confused. Honest mistake I think.

I was actually going to hold on to what I knew, and wait around and see what FactionHeir would do, maybe gain some information that way. But to be honest he hasn't done a whole lot and I was not happy with the lead candidates for this round. Time to cut him loose.

Let's re-examine the whole Sasaki/scottishranger thing in the morning. I don't have a problem with that, but this is a priority.


edit: Or maybe it wasn't his first one?

[Andres]

Unvote ; Vote : FactionHeir