Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

So should we think that you have somekind of victory condition to fulfill in lynching CA and wiping out the hypothetical Russian faction of Yaropolk and CA?

I'm not sure I could convince you that the sky is blue presently, but yes, I categorically state that my alignment is pro-town and I share town victory conditions. I've been as forthright as I can be, and it isn't enough to convince you, that's regrettable, but out of my hands.

[Kagemusha]

I'm not sure I could convince you that the sky is blue presently, but yes, I categorically state that my alignment is pro-town and I share town victory conditions. I've been as forthright as I can be, and it isn't enough to convince you, that's regrettable, but out of my hands.

Well ofcourse you could if you gave me evidence.But basically you cant prove your innocence and you are asking for a blind trust in a mafia game. Sorry but no. You are clearly scum as pointed by the evidence against you and you should be lynched. If not today, then as soons as possible.

[Moros]

I could be true, there was such a thing in the previous capo, with the crusaders and the shadow (me). Only the roles would have been swapped then.

Vote: CA

Pizza you say this guy is guilty. Are you willing to sacrifice your life if it shows out he's not? So CA is a prime suspect if he's guilty, we've got one if he's not, we know pizza is anti-town. Thus that'd mean we'd have another for sure. Whatever happens at least we'd have one anti-town guy killed in the end.

[Kagemusha]

I could be true, there was such a thing in the previous capo, with the crusaders and the shadow (me). Only the roles would have been swapped then.

But were either of those factions pro town?

[Craterus]

The Crusaders were. But Communists in America in the early 50s? It doesn't add up.

[TinCow]

I'm trying to add more info onto my list. Has anyone claimed responsibility for the protection of DJGingivitis on N2? If not, that's evidnce of Don being protected by Luca.

[KukriKhan]

CIA, FBI, (KGB?), detective(s), Russian criminals, 5 mafia families, plenty of Wiseguys, some secret roles...

Am I the only townie?

LOL. I was wondering the same thing myself. But, doing the arithmetic, I think we "in the dark" townies still outnumber all the potential threats, approximately 3:1 at this moment. Of course, that advantage can decline quickly once all the killer-teams get up to snuff, manpower-wise.

A couple of us glommed onto the commie comments, they being seemingly out-of-the-blue. What I don't get is why, once the Stalin "clue" was dropped by Yaropolk, it was picked up in public by CA and Jolt, instead of by PM. That seems sloppier than I've seen those players play before.

So I'm thinking CA is not a commie, but got swept up inadvertantly in a recruitment effort. Nevertheless, I'd sure like to see his explantion.

And we have GH admitting to wiseguy, seeking a family status, with a hard-to-swallow "kill-with-2" explanation. In terms of the most easily-identified threat to town security, I hafta

vote: GeneralHankerchief

select: ReenkRoink

[Moros]

But were either of those factions pro town?

The crusaders were protown. They had code words to find eachother and together they would have been quite a tool against the mafia. I was the shadow and was the maffia guy supposed to neutralize them. See the story thread of the Capo II.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza you say this guy is guilty. Are you willing to sacrifice your life if it shows out he's not?

I'm already on the hook for FactionHeir, so putting myself on the hook for CountArach isn't even a thing. But yes, I take responsibility if it is wrong, and that's if I live that long.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm trying to add more info onto my list. Has anyone claimed responsibility for the protection of DJGingivitis on N2? If not, that's evidnce of Don being protected by Luca.

DJGingivitis- Defended by Chaotix, Death is Yonder, Splitpersonality

They can confirm.

[TinCow]

thanks

[Moros]

I'm already on the hook for FactionHeir, so putting myself on the hook for CountArach isn't even a thing. But yes, I take responsibility if it is wrong, and that's if I live that long.

If you fear a mobster attack. I'll be willing to offer my help in a protection squad for you. Well for now that is.

[Sigurd]

Tally:

CountArach : 16 (ACIN, ATPG, Beskar, Craterus, Diana, DisgruntledGoat, Double A, El Diablo, gibson, Jolt, Moros, Myrddraal, Prole, Psycho, Sasaki, WE:D, )

GeneralHankerchief : 12 (Andres, atheotes, Beefy, Chatorix, Gaius, Kommodus, Kukri, ricera10, split, TinCow, Tratorix, YLC)

W&F : 4 (LG, Scottish, ‘khaan, Sigurd )
ATPG : 2 (Joe M, Kage, )
Sasaki : 2 (GH, slashandburn )
Beefy : 1 (LW, )
Shlin28 : 1 (CR)



Abstain: 1 (AVSM)

Not Voting: 31 (AggonyDuck, Caius, Centurion1, CountA, Cowhead, disco, DJG, Dutch, glyphz, Greyblades, Haudegen, Ichigo, Ironside, Iskander, Johnhugh, Jooray, Khazaar, Leet E, Nole4694, Pannonian, Reenk(excused), Rhyfelwher, shlin28, Skooma, SSNeo, Truepraetorian, Twilight, Veronica, Warmaster, W&F, Xehh)

[DJGingivitis]

Vote CA I feel that this discovery is better than GH. For now.

[shlin28]

I am content to let a possible detective live... for now.

Vote: CA

[Sigurd]

A very good idea. Please, everyone, add on both names and short summaries of evidence to this list. I can't remember everything that has happened.

I guess we should move this list along with us as we do a tally.
You forgot Disco - he was outed by Reenk Roink as one able to kill.

GeneralHankerchief - Suspect in failed protection of TS on Night 1. Killed Yaropolk in 2 man hit on Night 2.
ATPG - Killed Yaropolk in 2 man hit on Night 2. Claims contact with a 'secret role' that produces "unclear" investigation results on Kagemusha, who claims to be a wiseguy.
CountArach - Likely member of the 'Russian' group with the now-dead Yaropolk.
woad&fangs - Killed pevergreen on N2 with vig group.
Craterus - Killed pevergreen on N2 with vig group.
Ironside - Killed pevergreen on N2 with vig group / RR claims this guy can kill.
Discovery1 - RR claims this guy can kill.
Moros - ATPG claims investigation result showed him as criminal.
Centurion1 - Possibly killed pevergreen on N2 with vig group.
DJGingivitis - Possibly killed pevergreen on N2 with vig group.
Sasaki - Attempted to form mafia family.
scottishranger - Attempted to form mafia family.
Jolt - Involved in shenanigans regarding II/FH.
Andres, Beefy187, shlin28 - One of these three lied about sending in orders to protect pevergreen on N2.
AVSM - ATPG claims investigation result showed him as criminal.
Kommodus - Suspect in failed protection of TS on Night 1.
Kagemusa - Suspect in failed protection of TS on Night 1.

[DJGingivitis]

Also I was not part of that vig group. I sent in orders only for the protection group I was in. I was supposed to be but was not. I think seamus accidently replied to all of us by mistake and just ease for himself. I do not blame him. Also, Any questions for me will have to wait for about 12 hours. I am going to six flags all day so i wont be home till after the day phase.

[TinCow]

I think seamus accidently replied to all of us by mistake and just ease for himself. I do not blame him.

Ok, this relates to something I haven't mentioned yet, but this is too much to make it a coincidence. Apparently the N1 results for Kommodus, GH, and Kagemusha were sent by Seamus to all of them, with all of them visibly CCed in the results. The same thing happened in my own N2 protection group: the results were visibly CCed to me and both of my partners. According to DJGingivitis, this has happened to him as well. In addition, he's claiming that people who didn't even submit those orders got night results for that attack.

So what's going on with the night results here? Who is getting them and why?

[Andres]

I could be true, there was such a thing in the previous capo, with the crusaders and the shadow (me). Only the roles would have been swapped then.

Vote: CA

Pizza you say this guy is guilty. Are you willing to sacrifice your life if it shows out he's not? So CA is a prime suspect if he's guilty, we've got one if he's not, we know pizza is anti-town. Thus that'd mean we'd have another for sure. Whatever happens at least we'd have one anti-town guy killed in the end.

1) you need to unvote first;
2) you are not allowed to edit a post that contains a post as per the rules.

[Craterus]

You get a result for a night action if you are mentioned in the orders. Regardless of wether or not you actually participated.

So if A and B send in Orders saying "A, B and C to protect Z". A, B and C will get a result from Seamus after the night phase.

[johnhughthom]

Vote:Arach

Atpg and GH are two and three on my most suspicious list.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Thank you for sharing us this Askthe pizzaguy. For my part i would like to here post the following lines from the rules of this game concerning characters:

Detective:

May investigate two persons per night phase. The investigation will list the individual as innocent (Townie, Don), criminal (Luca, Made not killing, Wise Guy not having killed at all, and some townies), or guilty (Luca or Made on the night of kill, Wise Guy or Townie who has killed – you either get the current kill or their whole track record as well). Acts as a Townie in other respects. Always reads as “innocent” if investigated.

FBI Detective:

May investigate two persons per night phase. Results, which parallel those of the regular detective but tend to be more accurate given the FBI’s greater resources, are delayed in comparison to a normal detective because of the need to interact with FBI bureaucracy. May not participate in any murders and always reads as “innocent” if investigated.

Made Gangster:

A Made is one of the two initial “Made” gangsters in a crime family. Their objective is to lead up the “wet-work” efforts on behalf of their crime family, eventually controlling the town. If investigated by a Detective or another Made, a Made gangster appears “criminal.” If investigated by a Detective during a “night” phase in which the made gangster is actively involved in a killing, they appear “guilty.” In addition, a Made gangster can conduct one “recruiting” investigation per “night” phase. This investigation will determine if the individual is “criminal,” “innocent,” or “unclear.” The initial made gangster of a family is automatically aware of the identity of the family Don.


The small problem with the investigation result you have on me is that is unclear. As everyone can see from the rules. Neither detective nor FBI detective get unclear results. So your trusted source can be nothing else then a made gangster. So please Askthepizzaguy would you be so kind and tell the rest of us the name of your source so he can join the line forming towards the gallows?. In which line yourself also should be joining as if you associate yourself with mafia. You cant be anything other then scum. You two man kill with GH just proves that even stronger.

Detectives can, and are, receiving unclear results. This passage of the role descriptions was not meant as an absolute guideline and do not reflect the full range of results, the potential for FBI detectives to uncover role information, the potential for detectives to uncover role information based on repeated investigation and the like. Sorry if I created the impression this was an absolute statement of potential results.

[woad&fangs]

Vote: GeneralHankerchiefl

To try and force a tie. Him and CA both seem like good lynches.

[TinCow]

You get a result for a night action if you are mentioned in the orders. Regardless of wether or not you actually participated.

So if A and B send in Orders saying "A, B and C to protect Z". A, B and C will get a result from Seamus after the night phase.

That didn't happen with my N1 results. I submitted orders to protect CA with Crazed Rabbit and scottishranger. The results I got from Seamus were sent ONLY to me.

[Myrddraal]

So, about the Georgi Markov reference. I'm willing to believe that ATPG has a special kill ability, but the Georgi Markov reference would imply that ATPG is KGB.

He used his special kill on Yaro, and now he wants CountArach dead. Obviously ATPG has an objective to kill certain people with Russian connections, yet his kill method implies that he is Russian himself.

Perhaps ATPG is KGB, and the KGB want to kill another Russian group, possibly the east europeans running the casinos mentioned in the prologue...

Whatever the case ATPG has not been entirely honest with us, directing us to lynch CA for personal reasons. Having said that, with his one off kill apparently used he seems pretty harmless. He claims to share Townie objectives and my gut is inclined to believe him.

[Myrddraal]

In any case, I'm not inclined to vote for CA until he has defended himself against ATPG's claims.

Unvote CA, Vote: GH

[Jolt]

Do you now deny that you contacted FactionHeir and wrote what he quoted in this?
You knew a pro-town role and wanted to make a deal with who you believed was an original member of Stracchi? You are at least a name on the most wanted list for this.

No I do not. And as is in the thread, I have explained the whole length of the process time and again. However, since you believe that I want to become Mafia, can you explain how did I pass up this oportunity?

i told you my plan... so pm gibson please and tell him he will help me vigi this night. ill also pm him. this plan will massively help the town. if you wont approve that is very suspicious.

I want you to send approval of my pt to the following persons

Woad&Fangs, Andres, Dutch_Guy, Shlin28 and Beefy187

I want you to authorise me to the following persons as a valid giver of orders to these people:

Gibsons, Moros, Djgingivtis, jolt

thank you

I'd say trust him... for now...

Something like this, which would be perfect for me as the Mafia wannabe to gain a kill already, thus advancing me a step into Mafiadom. A clean kill, sanctioned by none other than our glorious Director himself. And my reply.

I'm already in a Protection Group with people I trust. I'm not gonna start taking orders from a nobody I don't the slightest bit if he's Mafia or not.

Now, can you tell me if isn't it strange that a guy that you're spinning as wanting to become a Mafia, declines a clean kill approved by the Director, on the basis of not knowing if the guy who is setting up all these kills, is Mafia himself?

[Craterus]

That didn't happen with my N1 results. I submitted orders to protect CA with Crazed Rabbit and scottishranger. The results I got from Seamus were sent ONLY to me.

That doesn't mean CR and SR didn't get results for that protection attempt though.

This KGB theory is interesting. The Markov kill is going in the wrong direction if we accept CA and Yaropolk are a 'Russian' gang. Need more information from both CA and ATPG and what their roles are beyond finding and outlasting each other? If anything.

[Jolt]

I can confirm that I missed my protection this night and still got the result PM.

[TinCow]

That doesn't mean CR and SR didn't get results for that protection attempt though.

Why would Seamus visibly CC everyone in the other examples (including the TS N1 results), but use BCC or individual PMs to send out my N1 results?