Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[scotchedpommes]

Vote: atheotes

[shlin28]

...I see
Thanks for clarifying

Since I know I did not change my orders, and you probably didn't due to you not knowing about the results thing, in all likelihood, the traitor is Ironside.

Unvote: Glyphz
Vote: Ironside

[Pannonian]

Vote: Atheotes

Let's see if he is a Don.

[seireikhaan]

Unvote: Sigurd
Vote: Atheotes

[ricera10]

This is too much to go on just to sit:

Vote: atheotes
Select: abstain

[atheotes]

let me see if i can understand the case against me...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

....
I will note that Kage was the third member of my failed protection of TS on N1 along with GH and that it's possible that he was the reason for the failure. I went after GH at the time because I had strong evidence of his guilt, but the above investigation results bode poorly for Kage as well. He is a player who seems to enjoy playing as mafia, and is able to win consistently in that role.

As a disclaimer, I cannot personally vouch for the authenticity of the above claims. However, I trust my contact for now, and am therefore going to:

Vote: atheotes

If this is wrong, the autopsy will reveal it and I'll know my contact cannot be trusted.

Koomodus claims his contact gave him this info and follows it with a disclaimer

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

It would have been far, far better if you had kept that information quiet for another round Kommodus. With all that posted though, there's little point in hiding this stuff anymore. I can vouch for his statements about atheotes and Kagemusha. atheotes is the Don from the same family as discovery1. Kagemusha is a wiseguy who was recruited by them. Thus far, Kagemusha has been working in protection groups with me and Joe Monks, forwarding information I sent to him to his mafia family. I was planning on vig killing Kagemusha tonight and moving for atheotes lynch tomorrow, before the family knew what hit them. Unfortunately, disposing of them in a stealthy manner is no longer possible. Thus:

Unote; vote: atheotes

Time to break out the vig groups for the hangers-on it seems.

Tincow just confirms that he received the same info from the same source.

Anything else? No one even questions them (CR is the only one that asked a qn but still voted making the qn inconsequential) about the source. Anyone wondered how the source came up with the information?
Kommodus adds a disclaimer and then says if the autopsy results are wrong his source cannot be trusted... and that doesnt sound a little too convenient? there are ways by which you can test if i am a don

unvote, vote: atheotes

Because I'm suffering from delusions of grandeur, and the only way to bring me back down to planet Earth is to realize, once again... this is a team effort. And I can't always get my way.


If you need me, I'll be in the corner, swallowing the rest of my pride.

you sir, i expected you to atleast confirm that i working with you on the protections

@disgruntledgoat - I would like to see some of the evidence you saw for voting on me

The game does not put a serious limitation on the dead and i can still win... it may not be as much fun though... go ahead and lynch me but atleast give me an explanation

[GeneralHankerchief]

The explanation is that you're a Don, Don.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Host's Tallies: (through post #1418)

Lynch:

Atheotes = 16 (panno, 'khaan, rice, pizza, ylc, CR, gly, Jooo, WE, SSN, split, tinc, gibs, DJG, woad, goat)

Gibs = 10 (Sig, DIana, Haud, beefy, Kage, KK, Psyco, AA, andy, ducky)

avsm = 5 (El D, rhyf, gsc, x2, acin)

beefy = 1 (lw)

craterus = 1 (craterus)

ABstain = 4 (moros, isk, khaz, ichi)

Selection:

Reenk = 24 (ichi, psycho, kage, we, goat, ducky, crate, cent, Joe, griz, lw, reenk, prole, blade, tinc, khaan, s&b, kommo, trat, gsc, cr, beef, andy, khaz)

pizza = 14 (pizza, besk, el d, ylc, chao, aa, split, diana, kk, isk, leet, sig, shlin, acin)

abs = 5 (moros, rhyf, blade, x2, can't read own notes)


CHeck and make sure.

[Tratorix]

Vote: atheotes

atheotes is always guilty.

[DisgruntledGoat]

@disgruntledgoat - I would like to see some of the evidence you saw for voting on me

Well the WIFOM, which admittedly came after I voted, was enough to solidify my resolve. But the evidence presented by Kommodus was more than enough for me. Tincow then confirmed that at least Kommodus wasn't just making it up. I found the evidence against you more compelling than Gibson so I voted for you. Simple as that really. Apparently so did a lot of people as you just took the lead to get lynched.

[shlin28]

Host's Tallies: (through post #1418)

Lynch:

Atheotes = 16 (panno, 'khaan, rice, pizza, ylc, CR, gly, Jooo, WE, SSN, split, tinc, gibs, DJG, woad, goat)

Gibs = 10 (Sig, DIana, Haud, beefy, Kage, KK, Psyco, AA, andy, ducky)

avsm = 5 (El D, rhyf, gsc, x2, acin)

beefy = 1 (lw)

craterus = 1 (craterus)

ABstain = 4 (moros, isk, khaz, ichi)

Selection:

Reenk = 24 (ichi, psycho, kage, we, goat, ducky, crate, cent, Joe, griz, lw, reenk, prole, blade, tinc, khaan, s&b, kommo, trat, gsc, cr, beef, andy, khaz)

pizza = 14 (pizza, besk, el d, ylc, chao, aa, split, diana, kk, isk, leet, sig, shlin, acin)

abs = 5 (moros, rhyf, blade, x2, can't read own notes)


CHeck and make sure.

I voted Ironside

[atheotes]

Well the WIFOM, which admittedly came after I voted, was enough to solidify my resolve. But the evidence presented by Kommodus was more than enough for me. Tincow then confirmed that at least Kommodus wasn't just making it up. I found the evidence against you more compelling than Gibson so I voted for you. Simple as that really. Apparently so did a lot of people as you just took the lead to get lynched.

Kommodus and Tincow are claiming the same source...how do you know the source is not making it up? you have not even asked a qn about the source...
Dont you think there are ways to confirm if i am a don? Isnt that a better option than a bandwagon?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I voted Ironside

so you did.

Host's Tallies: (through post #1421)

Lynch:

Atheotes = 17 (panno, 'khaan, rice, pizza, ylc, CR, gly, Jooo, WE, SSN, split, tinc, gibs, DJG, woad, goat, trat)

Gibs = 10 (Sig, DIana, Haud, beefy, Kage, KK, Psyco, AA, andy, ducky)

avsm = 5 (El D, rhyf, gsc, x2, acin)

beefy = 1 (lw)

craterus = 1 (craterus)

iron = 1 (shlin)

ABstain = 4 (moros, isk, khaz, ichi)

Selection:

Reenk = 24 (ichi, psycho, kage, we, goat, ducky, crate, cent, Joe, griz, lw, reenk, prole, blade, tinc, khaan, s&b, kommo, trat, gsc, cr, beef, andy, khaz)

pizza = 14 (pizza, besk, el d, ylc, chao, aa, split, diana, kk, isk, leet, sig, shlin, acin)

abs = 5 (moros, rhyf, blade, x2, can't read own notes)

[a completely inoffensive name]

Unselect; Select: ACIN

[shlin28]

Interesting point... we do need to see the PM from the host that states that Atheotes is a Don.

Until then, I will keep up the pressure on Ironside!

[Kommodus]

My vote for atheotes appears to be absent from the tally.

Also, atheotes, what methods would you suggest we employ to confirm whether or not you are a don?

[DisgruntledGoat]

Kommodus and Tincow are claiming the same source...how do you know the source is not making it up? you have not even asked a qn about the source...
Dont you think there are ways to confirm if i am a don? Isnt that a better option than a bandwagon?

Well, you're only argument against said accusation is that either they are making it up and WIFOM. Throwing out the "I'm doing protection groups" argument you're left with the source lying. Why lie and make you a serious target for a lynch? What motivation does their source have for that. Give me a reasonable answer and I will change my votes. So far you've given no reason why anyone would say you are a Don.

[atheotes]

My vote for atheotes appears to be absent from the tally.

Also, atheotes, what methods would you suggest we employ to confirm whether or not you are a don?

1. you have a list of suspects/confirmed killers...
put me on a protection group and hit with a vigilante group (you are planning to use them anyway).. if i am a don the protection fails and the killer dies... if not it proves my innocence.
2. Cant the FBI investigator find out affiliations?

[Craterus]

unselect:Reenk, select: abstain

He wants it too much, never a good sign.

[johnhughthom]

Vote:atheotes

Select:abstain

[atheotes]

Well, you're only argument against said accusation is that either they are making it up and WIFOM. Throwing out the "I'm doing protection groups" argument you're left with the source lying. Why lie and make you a serious target for a lynch? What motivation does their source have for that. Give me a reasonable answer and I will change my votes. So far you've given no reason why anyone would say you are a Don.

All my night actions are accounted for... i am not sure what else i can say I do not know the source or their motivation...All we have is one person (the source) saying i am a Don...

[DisgruntledGoat]

Not quite what I was looking for. Obviously it would have to be role motivated if it was anything. But clearly you are just a regular townie right?

[TinCow]

Yesterday's voting record is also consistent with atheotes, Kagemusha, and Leet Erickson being in the same family as discovery1.

When the voting opened up, there were two main contenders for the lynch, discovery1 and ATPG. Kage is the first to vote, and goes for ATPG. He then follows up with two posts questioning the authenticity of the Luca result on disco.

Then atheotes opens up with an abstain vote, saying he wants to give ATPG more time. And that the case against disco is a "bandwagon." Really? Being fingered as a Luca is a bandwagon? I then open up with my case against Andres. Almost immediately, Leek Erickson jumps on board. This is significant, because it's the first time Leet has bothered to vote for anyone at all. Convenient of him to show up just in time to vote for the person who's second in line behind disco. This is followed shortly thereafter by Kage who also votes for Andres.

atheotes then lodges a totally random vote against Double A, who is not remotely a serious contender for the lynch. Then, very late in the vote, he changes again to Andres, but without giving any reason for his vote change. Note that his previous vote for Double A was LONG after the case had already been made against Andres, but he still felt Double A was a better choice at that time. Yet later, after no more evidence has been presented against Andres, he goes for Andres without any explanation at a time when Andres is the #2 vote recipient behind disco.

All in all, the posts by Kage and atheotes yesterday are very consistent with trying to keep disco from getting lynched. Leet also looks consistent with a conspirator simply because he had a grand total of TWO posts the entire game before voting for Andres. Note as well that he's been a lot more active since then.

[atheotes]

atheotes then lodges a totally random vote against Double A, who is not remotely a serious contender for the lynch. Then, very late in the vote, he changes again to Andres, but without giving any reason for his vote change. Note that his previous vote for Double A was LONG after the case had already been made against Andres, but he still felt Double A was a better choice at that time. Yet later, after no more evidence has been presented against Andres, he goes for Andres without any explanation at a time when Andres is the #2 vote recipient behind disco.

All in all, the posts by Kage and atheotes yesterday are very consistent with trying to keep disco from getting lynched. Leet also looks consistent with a conspirator simply because he had a grand total of TWO posts the entire game before voting for Andres. Note as well that he's been a lot more active since then.

Askthepizzaguy posted:
I have the results from the Double A protection, and that was: utter failure. There was at least one person who did not send in their order, possibly two. I did mention in an earlier post that a full investigation of each member is being conducted, tonight if possible. I have a top suspect but I don't want to slander anyone's name publicly unless I hear their side of the story.

If pressed, I'll give names, but I'd prefer to deal with it privately, if that's all right.

Atheotes posted:
thanks for that...i am not keen on the names right away... what you have said essentially means Double A was not protected by any protection group or anyone we know of... i dont know how the doctor role works...so it is possible that he is a don and it was his Luca that saved him...

unvote, Vote:Double A

With all due respect, i dont think that is a random vote, i stated what i believed and pushed it across trying to understand....i let it go when Kommodus explained that there were actually 2 people involved and luck saved him :Bow:
I voted Andres simply because that was a stronger case.

[Kommodus]

1. you have a list of suspects/confirmed killers...
put me on a protection group and hit with a vigilante group (you are planning to use them anyway).. if i am a don the protection fails and the killer dies... if not it proves my innocence.

I'm not sure I follow this.

Who would the vigilante attack? You? Or the player your group is protecting? (It kinda sounds like you're saying the vigilante would attack you.)

Why would the protection fail? Are dons not able to successfully participate in protection groups?

Why would the killer die? Do people who attack dons get killed?

Very confused by this.

[atheotes]

my answer in red

I'm not sure I follow this.

Who would the vigilante attack? You? Or the player your group is protecting? (It kinda sounds like you're saying the vigilante would attack you.)

it would only make sense to hit the protection target...

Why would the protection fail? Are dons not able to successfully participate in protection groups?

I believe so, from whatever has been told in the thread
Why would the killer die? Do people who attack dons get killed?
the killer i mentioned was the protection and vigilante target

Very confused by this.

sorry abt the confusion

[Leet Eriksson]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Yesterday's voting record is also consistent with atheotes, Kagemusha, and Leet Erickson being in the same family as discovery1.

When the voting opened up, there were two main contenders for the lynch, discovery1 and ATPG. Kage is the first to vote, and goes for ATPG. He then follows up with two posts questioning the authenticity of the Luca result on disco.

Then atheotes opens up with an abstain vote, saying he wants to give ATPG more time. And that the case against disco is a "bandwagon." Really? Being fingered as a Luca is a bandwagon? I then open up with my case against Andres. Almost immediately, Leek Erickson jumps on board. This is significant, because it's the first time Leet has bothered to vote for anyone at all. Convenient of him to show up just in time to vote for the person who's second in line behind disco. This is followed shortly thereafter by Kage who also votes for Andres.

atheotes then lodges a totally random vote against Double A, who is not remotely a serious contender for the lynch. Then, very late in the vote, he changes again to Andres, but without giving any reason for his vote change. Note that his previous vote for Double A was LONG after the case had already been made against Andres, but he still felt Double A was a better choice at that time. Yet later, after no more evidence has been presented against Andres, he goes for Andres without any explanation at a time when Andres is the #2 vote recipient behind disco.

All in all, the posts by Kage and atheotes yesterday are very consistent with trying to keep disco from getting lynched. Leet also looks consistent with a conspirator simply because he had a grand total of TWO posts the entire game before voting for Andres. Note as well that he's been a lot more active since then.

In my defence, i have selected 2 directors and voted once, i had some real life issues to deal with thus my rather sporadic activity, i'll admit that I defended disco but i wasn't aware of his status as mafia, he like some of the players in this game are frequent tworg chatters and i'm really active there as well. I also based my decision on selecting reenk and Askthepizzaguy based on my experiences with them in chat and not as posters of this board.

[Andres]

Unvote; vote : atheotes

[johnhughthom]

unselect, Select: ATPG

[atheotes]

Select: reenk