Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Chaotix, I can't help but think that your argument would hold a bit more weight if you hadn't just admitted that you are trying to subvert the town and have attacked pro-town players.

It's entertaining, at the very least.

[Chaotix]

How many doctors did you make? How many scums did you expose? What guarantee that you'd be willing to die did you offer?

I don't need a guarantee that I'd be willing to die, because you have killed me already.

At this point, I know that even if I survive this day and even the night after, the town will lynch me for lack of knowing who the last of the mafia is.

[Crazed Rabbit]

That is sure going to win over the vigilantes who have been stomping scum all game.

And Crazed Rabbit, last I checked, murder was still illegal for townies as well, but they are still pro-town.

Huh, funny how you avoid the fact that you haven't voted for yourself even though Beefy was innocent.

CR

[Tratorix]

I hardly think it an impossible objective for ATPG, he's a master of manipulation and deciet, from what I've seen in past games.

Difficult? Yes, but all you would need to do is gain the town's trust with positive reenforcement, and a couple of positive things here and there, throw your life on the line, give people trust, build theirs in return. Make them offers they can't refuse in good heart, while pushing your own ulterior motives behind the scenes.

Just my

Roles are assigned randomly. Do I think ATPG could possibly pull it off? Yeah, he's a very good player. But there are maybe two other people in this game who wouldn't immediately crash and burn with an objective like that. It just doesn't seem like a good game mechanic, it's illogical.

[Chaotix]

Chaotix, I can't help but think that your argument would hold a bit more weight if you hadn't just admitted that you are trying to subvert the town and have attacked pro-town players.

Perhaps. I personally think it is at least more convincing to be truthful than to lie through my teeth about my role when at least 7 or 8 other players know the opposite is true. By being truthful, I show I've got nothing to lose. At this point, I have no doubt that I will not survive this game.

EDIT: Additionally, if you want a little back-up: CR is most probably mafia scum (has he been confirmed yet?). CR's case on Xehh II was no less valid because he was scum.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why do people insist on trying to get ATPG killed? Why do they want him dead in the first place? These and many other questions ran through Sasaki's head.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Roles are assigned randomly. Do I think ATPG could possibly pull it off? Yeah, he's a very good player. But there are maybe two other people in this game who wouldn't immediately crash and burn with an objective like that. It just doesn't seem like a good game mechanic, it's illogical.

And yet we have serial killer roles in games all the time. A good shot at winning doesn't come with every role. We still haven't seen ATPG's role PM.

CR

[Splitpersonality]

Roles are assigned randomly. Do I think ATPG could possibly pull it off? Yeah, he's a very good player. But there are maybe two other people in this game who wouldn't immediately crash and burn with an objective like that. It just doesn't seem like a good game mechanic, it's illogical.

I've been given roles in games that seem illogical.

Roles in games in which I am one against organized teams of people, I may have my small advantages but overall it's still me vs everyone.

I'm not saying it's easy odds to win it, but I'm also not saying that the planets need to align for someone with this role to win.

It's possible that many people would've crashed and burned, but that shouldn't invalidate a role.

[Tratorix]

And yet we have serial killer roles in games all the time. A good shot at winning doesn't come with every role. We still haven't seen ATPG's role PM.

CR

True enough. Still seems a bit to stacked against him for me to believe yet, though.

[Crazed Rabbit]

True enough. Still seems a bit to stacked against him for me to believe yet, though.

Having two groups that just race each other to hunt commies doesn't make much sense. From a mafia game design standpoint, it would make sense for one group to have a secondary agenda.

Plus, he's lied about his 'guarantees'. If he kept his word he'd have lynched himself by now becuase Beefy was innocent.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

Another thing to consider is that we now have more doctors than we started with.

They can defend each other. How do I defeat them, again? Just checking. Why would I want to make more of them, if my objective is to eliminate townies? Just curious. And why didn't I hand them all to the mafia to have the mafia wipe them out? Oh yeah, that would make more sense...

I sincerely hope no one is buying this garbage.

But I have to admit, they sure put up a fight when you correctly accuse them.

What happened with woad&fangs, by the way? Wasn't he ANOTHER "townie" that I evilly destroyed? That was the charge. Along with "falsely" accusing LittleGrizzly. At least this time Chaotix admits he's not a townie.

[Splitpersonality]

Another thing to consider is that we now have more doctors than we started with.

They can defend each other. How do I defeat them, again? Just checking. Why would I want to make more of them, if my objective is to eliminate townies? Just curious. And why didn't I hand them all to the mafia to have the mafia wipe them out? Oh yeah, that would make more sense...

I can concede this point to ATPG, with our doctors at their current power, if the mafia is eliminated, if there are any left even, the doctors can just perform a protection ring.

Instant stalemate, except for voting phases.

[Crazed Rabbit]

You still haven't admitted you would be dead if you kept your word, because beefy was innocent.

And the rest - the mafia killing - was just to gain the trust of the town, so you could order the doctors as you liked while your kill squad keeps on killing at night, finding ever more suspicious people to target.

CR

[Splitpersonality]

I fail to see how killing people who are "suspicious", with often good results, makes anyone a bad person.


EDIT
I cannot spell for beans :/

[TinCow]

Unvote; Vote: Choatix

Your statements about ATPG's goals sound like desperate propaganda and do not mesh with what I have observed of his actions. If ATPG has to destroy the entire town, the game has a LONG way to go yet and it will become obvious very quickly.

ATPG: Do me a favor and at least PM me with info on YLC's triggers. I would be very irked if I died in that manner at this point in the game.

[Tratorix]

ATPG: Do me a favor and at least PM me with info on YLC's triggers. I would be very irked if I died in that manner at this point in the game.

If possible, everyone should probably know YLC's triggers. No need for more people to get bumped off because of him. And wasn't it shown that when Beefy was lynched, ATPG was trrying to convince people to vote for Ichigo, who was, y'know, mafia? Why does everyone keep bringing it up as a valid point?

[Reenk Roink]

What happened with woad&fangs, by the way? Wasn't he ANOTHER "townie" that I evilly destroyed? That was the charge. Along with "falsely" accusing LittleGrizzly. At least this time Chaotix admits he's not a townie.

Fair enough Atpg, but then what about El Diablo?

Also, it's a bit disingenuous to say that 1) scum are the only ones criticizing you. Was Kommodus scum? He was part of the most critical group early on that rushed the town to a great start, his criticisms of you are what most every new criticism of you is based on (not much new to say, just different ways to say it).

Also, again, I bring up 3 points:

1) The lynches you have directed are based in large part because of the information you gather from the investigations of various detectives. Now, I argue that given that incredible source of information, your record should be a lot better than what it is, especially now in the game. After all, Kommodus's group was most likely much smaller than yours and had much less info but got near perfect results. Also, you dying would not resutl in the sudden loss of that info. And it would give the opportunity for a fresh set of eyes to actually make decisions on it.

2) You yourself are not a critical role alive to a town victory, am I correct? We still have Prole and slashandburn around to check for communists if people are worried about that, and the other detectives give the actual criminal and innocent and what not. Granted, you can get more info on second investigations, but so can they, and we have several of them.

3) You can continue in your managerial position while dead, with much less scrutiny, leading to much less distraction for the town.

Fair points?

[White_eyes:D]

Why don't we just...IDK....vote him for director where he CAN'T, do anything anyway?

[Splitpersonality]

The argument for that would be "He can still control his roaming kill groups," I believe.

Aside from that, I want to be director darnit :(

I never get to do write-ups haha.

[ULC]

Unvote; Vote: Choatix

Your statements about ATPG's goals sound like desperate propaganda and do not mesh with what I have observed of his actions. If ATPG has to destroy the entire town, the game has a LONG way to go yet and it will become obvious very quickly.

ATPG: Do me a favor and at least PM me with info on YLC's triggers. I would be very irked if I died in that manner at this point in the game.

*twitches and seems to go from a nice, quiet if a bit light headed to serious and stalwart, with a fire in her eyes*

One lives on faith and good conduct! If you do not break the word of the Lord, you shalt be saved - speak against the Lord, and thou shalt perish by my hands that the Lord hath blessed!

The dark angel will descend upon those who are perfidious - I will strike down those with furious vengeance those who attempt to poison and bring harm upon my flock!

*falls down and begins to cry*

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wow, that role must have been awesome to play YLC.

[Language please - GH]

[Crazed Rabbit]

*twitches and seems to go from a nice, quiet if a bit light headed to serious and stalwart, with a fire in her eyes*

One lives on faith and good conduct! If you do not break the word of the Lord, you shalt be saved - speak against the Lord, and thou shalt perish by my hands that the Lord hath blessed!

The dark angel will descend upon those who are perfidious - I will strike down those with furious vengeance those who attempt to poison and bring harm upon my flock!

*falls down and begins to cry*

Hear that, Tincow? Simple, isn't it?

So, tell us, are you an innocent man? Or do you need a swift escort to the doors of hades!?

CR

[Splitpersonality]

As a regular townie, I e*** you with every part of my soul.

*Lightly applauds YLC*


EDIT

If this post kills me I'll be like, super mad.

[ULC]

Hear that, Tincow? Simple, isn't it?

So, tell us, are you an innocent man? Or do you need a swift escort to the doors of hades!?

CR

*still crying, wet tears in her eyes and upon her cheeks*

I cannot help it! I am a sinner, just as any of you! You all but see me as innocent, but I know the dark truth! I am but one of you, until you step outside and break the word of the Lord...and then they come, the angels, the messengers of the Lord, and they bring the demon out from me, empower me, and turn evil to good tasks...I can do nothing once she takes over...

*falls to the floor and begins to cry even harder*

[Crazed Rabbit]

Wow, that role must have been awesome to play YLC.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo true.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo true.

CR

Swearing is what lets him kill you right? It's a good thing I wasn't the sole mod of the gameroom for this game.

[ULC]

Swearing is what lets him kill you right? It's a good thing I wasn't the sole mod of the gameroom for this game.

OOC: Yea, thank GH for saving about half the players in the is game. Best doctor ever, considering how much they really are worth against me

[Askthepizzaguy]

1) The lynches you have directed are based in large part because of the information you gather from the investigations of various detectives. Now, I argue that given that incredible source of information, your record should be a lot better than what it is, especially now in the game.

You yourself admitted that detective results aren't ironclad. You're expecting too much from me.

I would ask why it is expected that I get 100% of my suspects correct, instead of 90-95%.

After all, Kommodus's group was most likely much smaller than yours and had much less info but got near perfect results. Also, you dying would not resutl in the sudden loss of that info. And it would give the opportunity for a fresh set of eyes to actually make decisions on it.

I'm giving out all that info very soon. Based on support, I've decided that the beginning of next round is the appropriate time. I will not knock Kommodus' efforts, if he were still with us, he would most assuredly have nailed most of the scums.

2) You yourself are not a critical role alive to a town victory, am I correct?

The role has never been, but my connections to the detectives have been, and having someone doing organization is essential.

We still have Prole and slashandburn around to check for communists if people are worried about that

No, most players are loyal to America right now. There's only 3? I think with questionable results. And I can vouch for one of those.

and the other detectives give the actual criminal and innocent and what not. Granted, you can get more info on second investigations, but so can they, and we have several of them.

Agreed.

3) You can continue in your managerial position while dead, with much less scrutiny, leading to much less distraction for the town.

I agreed to die in two rounds. But I am afraid that I feel my vote is still valuable to the town, I am sorry, I disagree with the decision before that time.

This is the best I can offer.

[pevergreen]

Lynch ATPG.
No one should hold power for this long, not unless they are given it as their role (eg: king/high priest/ruler of in game land etc)

You agreed to do something. Do it.

Or do you have no honour?

What happens in another two rounds?

"Oh no we don't have enough townies left, I can't die! Town will lose." - ATPG on the final stretch to a complete win.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

OOC: Yea, thank GH for saving about half the players in the is game. Best doctor ever, considering how much they really are worth against me

That's a trick role to give, because there has to be a temptation to the mods to selectively edit...