ATPG can we see your role. we all know you are not a simple townie, so what are you really and where is some actual proof.....
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ATPG can we see your role. we all know you are not a simple townie, so what are you really and where is some actual proof.....
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Originally Posted by Twilightblade
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I helped kill many scumbags....I really don't think your more "Credible" in any way even if you are an "Innocent townie" unless you can investigate after death..
I did my duty for the town....and I do not regret any of it
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It seems to me, there's evidence supporting the idea that Khaan is not the beretta killer because on
N10 he had the opportunity and there was no killing. But that doesn't disprove it.
N11 Khaan had the opportunity and there was a killing, so it doesn't disprove him being the Beretta killer.
N12 Khaan was APPARENTLY doing a failed vig kill on El diablo, and out of him, woad and Xehh, two sent in orders. Xehh was obviously the N5 killer, and so Khaan's actions are accounted for, which is evidence disproving him as the beretta killer.
N13, Haudegen was available, Khaan seemingly was not, as he was the Director. This night, odd things happened. The Sniper and the Rabbit joined forces to destroy someone, and left a violin bow.... but no SOLO Beretta killing with the violin bow. This does not disprove that Khaan is the beretta killer.
N14, Khaan was director and Haudegen was available, no Beretta killing. This does not disprove that Khaan is the Beretta killer.
N15; all 4 vigilantes attacked Haudegen, and of them, 3 are now dead. Khaan and Haudegen were both available, and Kukrikhan was killed by the beretta. This does not disprove that Khaan is the B killer.
N16, all 4 hitmen did not send in orders to attack Khaan, of those, two are still alive. One of them was killed by the Beretta killer. Haudegen and Khaan were both available, this does not disprove that Khaan is the B killer.
from this evidence, there is circumstantial leads on Khaan being the beretta killer, but an apparent CONFLICT on n12 when Khaan was seemingly unavailable.
N10, haudegen was busy and his actions seem visible in the writeup. There was no B killing. Does not disprove him to be the B killer.
N11, there was a B kill, he had the opportunity. This does not disprove.
N12, Haudegen was available, there was a killing. This obviously does not disprove.
N13, Haudegen was available, but there was no beretta, there was a different group. This doesn't disprove.
N14, there was no beretta. Haudegen was available. This doesn't disprove.
N15, Beretta killing, Haudegen was available. This obviously does not disprove.
N16, Beretta killing, Haudegen was available. This obviously does not disprove.
There are circumstantial leads that Haudegen is the beretta killer, and no conflicts. There is an apparent GAP in the killings while Khaan is director, but Haudegen was available. On one night, two different mades performed a violin bow kill, but it wasn't the beretta. Next night, no beretta was present, and Haudegen was available. As soon as Khaan wasn't director, the killings began again.
However, there is no solid proof that Haudegen is not the Beretta killer.
I'm not a lawyer, but perhaps Andres can help me out here. What does this mean? It appears I am either missing information, or Shinseikhaan has 1 strike against him being the Beretta killer that is concrete, and Haudegen has none. The only tricky part is that they stop while Khaan is director. That could be on purpose. Khaan seems to refuse to vote for Haudegen. So did Sasaki when he was alive. A lot of people didn't vote for him, but the people who did are now mostly dead.
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Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 09-25-2009 at 02:53.
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The Wall O' Text rears its ugly head once again.
BTW Twilightblade, you really need to join Pirate Ship Mafia. That goes for everybody else too.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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Unselect:Select:slashandburnI'll lynch them both.
Parla più piano e nessuno sentirà, il nostro amore lo viviamo io e te,
nessuno sa la verità, neppure il cielo che ci guarda da lassù.
Insieme a te io resterò,
amore mio, sempre così.
Parla più piano e vieni più vicino a me, Voglio sentire gli occhi miei dentro di te,
nessuno sa la verità, è un grande amore e mai più grande esisterà.
Insieme a te io resterò,
amore mio, sempre così.
Parla più piano e vieni più vicino a me,Voglio sentire gli occhi miei dentro di te,
nessuno sa la verità,è un grande amore e mai più grande esisterà.
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What if Twightblade doesn't lynch them both??
Unselect: Select:slashandburn
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Whichever is the Don will get spared at the last minute by Haudegen's vote, or Khaan's. If you're attempting the double lynch, don't say I didn't warn you. But I sincerely hope you can make it happen.
Oh, Diana made a neat discovery; Iskander 3.1 appears to have survived Night 5 by luck alone. So yes, apparently mafia do have luck in this game. And Shinseikhaan survived N7 by luck.
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...What on earth am I wasting my breath for?
*lights up a cigar* Hey, fellas.... do what you like. Good luck to you, and I hope you make the correct choice. I'm not 100% on my suspect anyway. Time to pack up the umbrella and retire.
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asked ATPG.How come none of the mafia so far this game have had luck? All the mafia have died by vigilante killings on the first try except when they were protected by someone. Can anyone point to a single instance of a mafioso surviving nights due to luck?
Well I can think of at least one time; on night 5 Iskandar survived by luck after VA kill, remember the bible in his pocket that stopped the bullet, and he was a Made mafia.
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Okay townies that are left, we should out number the mafia, so if we watch the thread for last minute changes, we should be able to pull off the double lynch. I think this may be the only way to make sure we get the last of the mafia. Best of luck!!!
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Diana Abnoba- Goddess of the Hunt
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I think you guys should focus on getting one person lynched first, before even thinking of doing a double.
Please, please. Despite my qualms with ATPG I would like you guys to listen to his above argument, there is no reason Haudegen can't be the baretta killer, the final don, but Khaan has a few excuses.
Please, just lynch Haudegen and get it over with.
Rest in peace TosaInu
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I am going to post something, because I am someone who has called for ATPG's head, and called him untrustworthy, but we have agreed to a compromise.
I believe haudegen to be the final don, and ATPG can back this up with evidence from his extensive files. Despite the arguments I may have with him over anything, and any of the arguments you guys may have with him, I want you to listen to him on this. It seems like I'm doing a backflip, because this is something I believe, and if I'm wrong, lynch me :P
The following is a conversation between us, showing that we do indeed agree on this, and I would like to stake my life on it, I don't know what pizza will put at stake, but I think we have a better shot at hitting the don now, rather than trying to wait till the night. We've already seen that a night attack can fail, and the sooner we end this game, the better for everyone.
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I mean what I said, I would defend any of the town that died last night, and I would've died defending them if I knew of it. I'd rather have gone down trying to defend a loyal townie director, or any other loyal townie, than having gone down quietly, knocked out by gas.
I would've rather have done something in my death rather than nothing. So here it is, I strongly urge, with the backing of ATPG, a man who has more information than myself, the lynch of Haudegen over any other person or persons.
Please town, communist or not I've always had your interests at heart.
Rest in peace TosaInu
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At least Chaotix edited his out...
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Haudegen has to die, yes, but it won't mean much if you trade one townie-killing problem for another.
Haudegen, 'khaan, ATPG. All three of them have to go. The trick is getting them in the right order so that you don't have to deal with the CIA voting block and their lynches on the "new suspects" afterwards.
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I think Slash would be a better director and the push for the townie win
unselect, select: Slashandburn
Winning ≥ funny write ups
As long as 'blade starts randomly attacking people again, I'm fine.
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Says the guy who fingered Haudegen as the last Don. What is it you and Chaotix are not telling us?
According to my government sources, you were both working with the Mafia. There was an allegiance between the Communists and the Mafia - which incidentally was the worst case scenario for Fatlington.
I repeatedly warned ATPG about this in these last rounds, yet he spared you. He never divulged this info to the FBI, which considering his alleged primary goals would be understandable. There was a race between the FBI and the CIA to get the last commie head. And yet he just gave that victory to the FBI in the last round.
Also, according to the FBI PM i was shown, the FBI had strict orders to not cooperate with the CIA operative which operated in Fatlington unauthorized. Yet there was a cooperation. And according to my sources (again) there were three FBI agents - one local (johnhugh) and two external (slash/Louis). A bit overpowered, no? And which one of you sold the name of johnhugh to the Mafia, the local and true FBI?
Why don't you show them the part where it states that the CIA agent is a communist undercover agent, slashandburn or Louis? ya know - from your undercover FBI PMs.
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You guys are killing me. I don't have any time at all and you let the thread explode as it has.
About last night. I really don't know what happened, it feels like a collective black out. I know it looks suspicious, but I know there wasn't more to than that all of us just didn't send in orders. No secret agreement or anything.
As I said, I don't have much time and also I unfortunately will be gone for the next two days. I know it sucks at this stage of the game, I hope the town will be successful even without me being able to vote, if I survive the night that is.
For this day I will go with:
Vote : Haudegen
Select : slash
I just makes the most sense to me.
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vote: khaan
He´s the one we´re after.
Updated tally:
Jooray, please tell me: Why did you and your partners sabotage the vig attack on khaan? And why do you want me lynched today instead of khaan?Haudegen: 5 (Askthepizzaguy, slashandburn, White Eyes, Louis the Fat(*), Jooray)
Shinseikhaan: 3 (Double A, Tincow, Haudegen)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Khaan)
(*) As far as I can see Louis didn´t unvote before he switched his vote to khaan. I think technically his vote on me is still valid.
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How do you explain the Beretta killing on N12 when Khaan was doing a vigilante action, then?
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We did not sabotage, it was a unfortunate coincidence that nobody send in orders. Simply a failure of coordination.
The resent revelation led to to the conclusion that you are the better target for the lynch of this day. See Atpg's question!
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I also find it interesting you finally decide to vote this round, after so many rounds of not voting. Not to mention how VERY carefully you checked the vote tally. Nervous are we?
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If you want a theory, I've got one that works. While the N12 action proves that 'khaan didn't make that kill, it doesn't mean that he isn't the current killer. We've knocked off a few mafioso since N12. One of them could have been from 'khaan's family and thus done the kill. 'khaan then started killing after his underlings were gone.
I am very much torn between 'khaan and Haudegen though. I'm sticking with 'khaan based on gut instant alone.
Last edited by TinCow; 09-25-2009 at 12:02.
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Hello Haudegen, it is so nice (and convenient) of you to join us the morning. This makes your 7th post this whole game. The 2nd this week, and before that, sometime back, a month ago, in August. I wander why that is.
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Every mafioso seems to have a certain distinctive sign, their weapon. Others were using the shotgun, the sniper rifle, any number of other weapons. I personally use an umbrella, for example. Even those who left the violin bow used different weapons. I am not sure that theory holds.
Examining haudegen's activity all game:
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He's been active most nights of the game, but he has been mostly silent all game and making non-controversial moves. Shinseikhaan on the other hand seems to be utterly reckless with his life, even poking me in the eye in private and during the game by voting for me and threatening me with death. Haudegen has done nothing all game which could get him bandwagoned, and the few times he's spoken up it seems to be in support of whatever is the most popular decision. Khaan even admitted freely that he was killing in order to become a mafia, very early on. Not very Don-like behavior, to so openly attack townies and then admit to it. And Dons who vigilante kill get an innocent result afterward, they only remain guilty if they do a mafia kill by themselves when their family is gone, is that not so?
Combine that with the fact that Sasaki seemed to know for sure that Haudegen was supposed to have a guilty result. If Sasaki were a townie, he could NOT PROVE that Haudegen wasn't a Don, because the pt with Haudegen was not a success, since LittleGrizzly was also a Don. So assuming Sasaki was a townie, he couldn't know that Haudegen didn't just get caught in the act with an innocent result following a vigilante move. He refused to vote for him. That implies special knowledge that Haudegen must have done something which gives him a guilty result forever, such as a solo Beretta killing as Don.
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I agree that Haudegen's posting history does not look good for him. I was unaware of the weapon difference in the write-ups. I will re-read them in a little while and re-evaluate. Since we've got such a huge amount of info in here, can you do me a favor and put in a short summary of all of 'khaan's and Huadegen's night actions, both claimed and confirmed?
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According to Khaan himself, he's only had one successful attempt all game, and he claims it was on the first night, I believe. Why would a mafia Don risk himself in such a way, to begin the game with random vigilante kills on townies?Afraid I'm not. Go back and check. I've had one successful attempt the entire game.
We only had 5 families, 4 Dons are dead. There never seemed to be quite enough extra Mades floating around to make the sixth family, because they dropped like flies all game. If Khaan is a Don, we are suggesting he BECAME Don.
I don't think so. Haudegen, on the other hand, began the game with an innocent result. We are all but certain Haudegen is being protected by Sasaki and Crazed Rabbit who were reluctant to see him get killed off. He was never hit by mafia all game long. Even Shinseikhaan was hit by the mafia, removing one of his "luck" saves, was he not? Khaan had nothing but guilty results all game.
Why would the mafia do this if Khaan is the Don? Why would Khaan go berserk right from the get-go trying to destroy everyone around me? Why would Khaan threaten me publicly and privately with lynch votes? Why would Khaan admit he was trying to go mafia, he could really have gotten lynched that round. If you're looking for a Don doing beretta killings, then Khaan's actions N12 seem to deny that possibility. Someone else was doing them.
Someone with an innocent result at the beginning of the game. Someone who gets a guilty result after doing solo beretta kills. Someone who Sasaki knew, somehow, that the hosts' results on Haudegen were flawed. Someone who lurked all game and avoided controversy. Someone who only now seems to be paying close attention to the vote tally. Someone that the mafia refused to vote for. Someone who the mafia refused to murder. Someone who was available to do all the Beretta killings, but stopped for a moment while Khaan was the director so that he wouldn't get totally caught out in the open.
Examine Khaan's actions all game... early vigilante kills, early attacks against me, and he got hit by the mafia and voted for by the mafia on occasion.
Look at Haudegen.... claims to have done NOTHING until night 6, where he did a vigilante kill on Khazaar. Not even attempted to do protection groups. Nothing. After that, all the groups he was in for protections did not get hit, until the night when 5 players protected Sigurd, and then Sasaki's bogus group also "protected" Sigurd. Night 8- silenced .28 Beretta. After haudegen was supposed to have a guilty result. Night 9, same thing. Night 10, didn't happen. Haudegen was busy. Night 11, it happened, and Haudegen was available. Why the missing kill? Then it goes on into 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16, all matching Haudegen's availability except when Khaan was director.
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Well, khaan, woad and xehh sent in their orders in N12?
Why is it then that the write-up only mentions two attackers?
And I was on a protection mission that night, along with KukriKhan, Chaotix and ACIN, protecting SSNeo. The result was inconclusive but still ....El Diablo was only a few steps from home and the quiet evening he had planned. A six-pack of beers from the tappy, along with the cheeseburger and fries (just beginning to grease through the brown bag in which he was carrying them) would take care of sustenance and he was one of the few with a television in his neighborhood.
The two Tommy gunners stepped out of his front door and onto his stoop, shattering his quiet reverie with long bursts of automatic fire. The beers dropped and smashed, along with the burger, as he quickly dove to the side, rolling towards the alley between his brownstone and the next.
It was his only obvious route of escape, and even as El Diablo ran up the alley he expected to encounter more gunfire. It would be hard to know whether the first two shooters or El Diablo were the most surprised when he failed to run into any obstacle at all, making a clean escape from the scene.
Xehh was busy doing Number five killings that night. Your two attackers were Khaan and woad. That proves Khaan wasn't doing the Beretta kill.
Still proves nothing. Almost all the dons did "protections" and one of them got caught when they didn't work. It must have been nice to have been in groups of more than three.And I was on a protection mission that night, along with KukriKhan, Chaotix and ACIN, protecting SSNeo. The result was inconclusive but still ....
Also, gotta love the invisible mode, and the visit to your page by Imperator Invictus. Did you lose your Made Gangster on day two? Is that why you became a solo Don so early in the game?
Hey, fellas.... Which family lost their Made Gangster? The one with Imperator Invictus/FactionHeir. This family would not have been able to kill unless they got more mafia members, and how do you do that without a Made investigating? So... round about Night Eight, the Violin Bow Don/ Beretta killings began. Rewind:
Bottom line, the Beretta killer appears to be a solo don, who, after other Dons died, inherited their mades for a night, and those mades were promptly wasted, and the killings resumed. The only other gap was when haudegen was busy night 10.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 09-25-2009 at 13:32.
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I am not convinced ATPG...
It is a lie that we knew Seireikhaan was guilty all game long. Not until Night 8 did we know. And coincidentally it was a solo violin bow kill that very night.
We did a control check on Shinseikhaan on night 13 to see if he magically got an innocent result. That was the plan because we believed a Don would be innocent on nights were they didn't kill. Later - or recently - we discovered that this was a wrong assumption.
That Joe Monks does not come forward to confirm you alledged - khaan can't be the beretta killer because he was busy - is just another nail in that coffin. Besides, he would probably lie about it anyway.
I have been been usure about this too, but the fact that not even a single attacker showed up to attack Shinseikhaan, as was the order, just nailed the coffin shut. They knew they couldn't kill him because - He is their DON!!! And going in alone would be insane as that was a sure death sentence.
Lynch 'khaan and prove that you - ATPG/WE:D/Joooray/Double A/SSNeo are not just protecting your Don and used me and the rest of the pro-towns as patsies for you big scheme.
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