do you think prostitution should be legal?

[Don Corleone]

That's really funny, Jolt. I bet most modern feminists, such as Susan Faludi, would laugh as heartily as I did at the notion that being opposed to trafficing in human sexuallity is a sure sign of religious thinking. I don't see where a belief in human dignity requires a religious context, but being as wise and all-knowing as you are, if you say it is so, it certainly must be so.

And you made your comment like an accusation. When did having spirtual considerations disqualify one from having a reasoned stance?

You know what I think? I think the people that favor legalizing prositution are those that earn their living through it and those that require it in order to engage in any sort of sexual activity that includes another person.

[pevergreen]

As a man once said on Australian TV (about 10 years ago now)

"If I'm at home, I'm lonely and I want to talk to a woman who's addicted to prozac and lying naked in a bath tub, then I should be allowed to do that."

"And so far you have been."

Was in relation to banning those late night TV ads with the 1800 or 1300 numbers for girls girls girls etc.

It relates to this, but having worked through the construction and opening and then after in a brothel (we did the phone system, from when the building was being done, to after the opening) the conditions of a legal brothel are terrible. The rooms the girls sleep in are smaller than our prison cells and less comfortable. And they have protection, in the form of alarms and cameras etc. On the street, there is nothing.

People would die.

Plus my view is sex paid for is not worth it, not matter how long its been.

[Ronin]

It makes no sense for it to be ilegal to sell something that is at the very same time completely legal to give away for free.

Legalize it, regulate it, tax it.... take the pimps out of the game and make it a regular activity.

[miotas]

Street prostitution is illegal here in Australia in all states but most states allow brothels, but there are many restrictions. Seems to make sense to have everything legal and above board, where the girls are in a safe protected environment rather than out wandering the streets where anything could happen to them and anyone could be exposed to them.

I've never been in one myself so I don't know what the interrior conditions are, but there was one in the industrial estate back home that I had to drive past most mornings for work, and it seemed a very professional buisness with plenty of security around the place.

It's something that will happen no matter what restrictions are placed on it, so rather than make the girls into criminals, just put them in a safe place where they are protected, and where society is protected from them. Plus the government gets to tax it.

[Jolt]

That's really funny, Jolt. I bet most modern feminists, such as Susan Faludi, would laugh as heartily as I did at the notion that being opposed to trafficing in human sexuallity is a sure sign of religious thinking. I don't see where a belief in human dignity requires a religious context, but being as wise and all-knowing as you are, if you say it is so, it certainly must be so.

Feminists are known to defend many positions I consider stupid. This is one of them. Human dignity requires no religious thinking when it comes from common sense (Right to live, right to physical integrity, right to social integration, etc.), however other things concerning human dignity (Like this one. The fact that, bluntly stated, the act of rubbing a part of our body to another body's part for the sake of pleasure is viewed as something that diminishes or affects human dignity) don't come from common sense.

And you made your comment like an accusation. When did having spirtual considerations disqualify one from having a reasoned stance?

If you interpreted my comment as an accusation, then I apologize as I had no such intention. You are allowed to reason based on spiritual considerations, but what I don't agree is the fact that one is enforcing prohibitions based on the said spiritual considerations.

You know what I think? I think the people that favor legalizing prositution are those that earn their living through it and those that require it in order to engage in any sort of sexual activity that includes another person.

Maybe that's the point of view you get over there in America, but let me tell you as far as myself and the society I know and interact with are concerned, that is blatantly wrong.

[Louis VI the Fat]

do you think prostitution should be legal?

Yes it should be legal. About bloody time those lascivious wenches started paying me for my efforts.

[AlexanderSextus]

Ahhh, my second favorite topic, aside from Legalization of Cannabis. This is partly due to the fact that i can use pretty much the EXACT same argument, but at the same time there are other reasons to have it be legal.

Legalize it, Tax it, and Regulate it. This is a good idea because, exactly like marijuana, Legalizing it would take it out of the hands of the criminal element and make it much safer.

As far as Prostitution being Degrading to women, i would like to make a distinction here:

There is Human Trafficking, and then there is Legalized Prostitution.

In Human trafficking, Women are treated like cattle. They are often abused and forced into Drug addiction. This is a horrible practice and should be stopped at all costs.

Currently, unless you live in the State of Nevada, USA, or Amsterdam, NL, Human Trafficking is a persons only option to pay for sex. You can contract All types of nasty Diseases. Once a woman is in, she never gets out.

However, if you go to Nevada, the Prostitutes will gladly tell you that they WANT to work at the brothel, and in so many words will say "Degrading? Hell, i filled out an application. I can quit this job ANY time i want to, no questions asked."

The Prostitutes receive health benefits and get FREE Compulsory STD and AIDS tests. There is an almost NIL chance that you will get an STD from a legal prostitute. Not to mention you are required to use condoms at a legal brothel, AFAIK.

Having Prostitution be Illegal is worse than it being legal.

And all Religious arguments against Prostitution are Bogus, because if you believe that Soliciting prostitution is a Sin, and it was legal to do so, you can simply make the choice NOT to do it!

[Beskar]

I don't believe Prostitution should be legal without heavy regulation, if it was done. After all, there are many laws and other various things in place. What happens if you catch an STD? Does this give you entitlement to sue the prostitute? What about if you got the STD?

There are many health complications and other complications which prevents prostitution being a legal business. It just cannot be regulation in a fair and correct manner.

[AlexanderSextus]

I don't believe Prostitution should be legal without heavy regulation, if it was done. After all, there are many laws and other various things in place. What happens if you catch an STD? Does this give you entitlement to sue the prostitute? What about if you got the STD?

There are many health complications and other complications which prevents prostitution being a legal business. It just cannot be regulation in a fair and correct manner.

if it were legal then you absolutely would be entitled to sue the brothel since it would have to be regulation for the brothel to ensure that safe sex be practiced at all times.

[Hooahguy]

o cmon AS you know sometimes condoms doesnt stop STDs, like if theres a breakage.

[AlexanderSextus]

o cmon AS you know sometimes condoms doesnt stop STDs, like if theres a breakage.

yeah but see it would also be regulation that if someone tests positive for an STD they should be fired on the spot. so even if the condom breaks you wont get anything.

They would have to get tested damn near every day. at least every other day.

[Prussian to the Iron]

i am pretty sure we all agree that forced prostitution is a bad thing. lets get off the topic: this is more about wiling, individual selling of sex, or willing sale of sex in a brothel or formal organizatin of some sort, with certain requirements in regards to hygiene and policies.

simply put:

There is Human Trafficking, and then there is Legalized Prostitution.

[Samurai Waki]

I'm mixed in my opinion on this issue. While I do in essence agree with Don, I just don't see the practicality of enforcing it's legality. Its almost on the same page in some ways as the Marijuana debate, if it's regulated I don't see what the problem is.

[Pannonian]

That's really funny, Jolt. I bet most modern feminists, such as Susan Faludi, would laugh as heartily as I did at the notion that being opposed to trafficing in human sexuallity is a sure sign of religious thinking. I don't see where a belief in human dignity requires a religious context, but being as wise and all-knowing as you are, if you say it is so, it certainly must be so.

And you made your comment like an accusation. When did having spirtual considerations disqualify one from having a reasoned stance?

You know what I think? I think the people that favor legalizing prositution are those that earn their living through it and those that require it in order to engage in any sort of sexual activity that includes another person.

I favour legalising it, mainly after a spate of murders of prostitutes a couple of years ago, that went unnoticed for ages except by their friends. At the very least, prostitutes should not be criminalised, so they can have access to the protection of the law. Whether or not their business should be taxed I care less about.

AFAIK, historically the most significant opposition to legalising prostitution has come from spouses, who feared that the free use of prostitutes would threaten their rights and status as the woman of the family.

[Centurion1]

Taking pimps out of the game is harder than it sounds. In Nevada where they have legal brothels, they still have pimps and madams. They are the businessmen and women who take care of the finances and make it a legal operation (pays taxes, etc.) what i am saying is that they are not your usual pimps, they don't beat up the girls if they come home with not enough money. The vast majority of street pimps however, need to be shut down.

Human trafficking needs to be shut down. i don't care what it takes, personally i think you can make it a crime of murder, because you take those young girls and ruin their lives and basically make them a hollow shell of themselves with drugs.

[Prodigal]

Pointless debate, even if its legalised it won't stop illegal prostitution. It is the oldest profession for a reason, and that is because there are always some really sick out there that will pay to have their deeply nasty, and usually illegal, habits catered too...And while people need money there will be people that will provide the service.

So unless you legalise every thing sexual, and that's ALOT of deeply nasty stuff, you may as well forget about it.

Moderators, please excuse the poor replacements for what can be considered mildly offensive language, however the poster in this instance considers the topic demands such expletives. An' we both know how much it hurts us when you take that daisy and

an i shtill w8ting! U owe me 8 dorrar fitty or nex time i no love u looooong time!

Hookers, prosititues, rent boys, whatever you want to call people in the sex industry, they are people too, legalisation is just another way of ******* people that are already in such a bad way they have 95% of the time no other choice.

[rory_20_uk]

Legalise it. Regulate it. Tax it.

Why do I work? For the rent and bills. I am a "slave" to my job. A prostitute's motives are quite similar.
Some might not want to do the job. Some might not like the clients they have. I know I don't always like the job and some of the clients are revolting.

Trying to police it out of existence quite clearly hasn't worked, and even if there were no more important tasks for the police to do (like arresting demonstrators for example) the ways of "not actually buying" would just multiply. As it is there are such wheezes of £50 or more for a glass of close to water, after purchase the girls will be much more friendly for a length of time.

With the large amount of money taxing these workers would bring in - and the reduction of police time spent on it - all efforts can be spent on those who are coerced into it and and other illegal activities.

[Prodigal]

Bahhh...Mspost but wives will do that to a body

[Prodigal]

Legalise it. Regulate it. Tax it.

Why do I work? For the rent and bills. I am a "slave" to my job. A prostitute's motives are quite similar.
Some might not want to do the job. Some might not like the clients they have. I know I don't always like the job and some of the clients are revolting.

Trying to police it out of existence quite clearly hasn't worked, and even if there were no more important tasks for the police to do (like arresting demonstrators for example) the ways of "not actually buying" would just multiply. As it is there are such wheezes of £50 or more for a glass of close to water, after purchase the girls will be much more friendly for a length of time.

With the large amount of money taxing these workers would bring in - and the reduction of police time spent on it - all efforts can be spent on those who are coerced into it and and other illegal activities.

Man that is such a ****** up way at looking at it its practically obscene, and you obviously don't know why, but damn...Excuse me, my wifes's home, and right now I don't have time to explain.

You really think everyone who sells themselves for sex does it for fun? If you do you are really screwed up man

[rory_20_uk]

Man that is such a ****** up way at looking at it its practically obscene, and you obviously don't know why, but damn...Excuse me, my wifes's home, and right now I don't have time to explain.

You really think everyone who sells themselves for sex does it for fun? If you do you are really screwed up man

Aside from your personal attacks, where did you see I stated that my reasoning for prostitution is that they enjoy it?