Patton 360

[Hooahguy]

my grandfather recorded the entire season (10+ hours). at some points its interesting, but sometimes i find that it drags on. but overall a good series, and i liked the way they presented the battles.

on topic, i think Patton was brushed aside too often, like in market garden. id bet a lot of money that had it been patton who was commanding the armored drive to Arnhem, they would have made it.
montogmery was a fool and incompetant commander. just look at Operation Goodwood.
one victory and they all think that hes the greatest thing since sliced bread. he was over-catious but yet still wanted to be in command of bold moves, like Market-garden.
yea sorry for the rant i just really hate monty.

[John the Mad]

Montgomery had a different approach than Patton.

That being said..The series made it seem like Omar and Eisenhower had more to do with the German army reconstituing itself after their disaster in France.

[Hooahguy]

different approach? bah! he was just an overly-cautious commander who was way to bold with his moves.
any competent commander should have known that having a main assault rely on a single road is a disaster.

[John the Mad]

different approach? bah! he was just an overly-cautious commander who was way to bold with his moves.
any competent commander should have known that having a main assault rely on a single road is a disaster.

Patton and Montgomery had two very different approaches to warfare.

It is what it was for good and ill concerning the both.

I didn't start this for Montgomery or Patton bashing..just a better understanding of why Patton is held in such esteem.

The show quoted Pattons diary,after learning that his supplies were being sent to Montgomery,as telling his officers to use WWI tactics to reach Metz.

Though i guess Metz would have held a special meaning for any US officer who had fought in WWI as they were stopped from taking the city by the armistice.

On an aside Joyce Kilmer was killed outside of Metz,while serving under "Wild" Bill Donovan during WWI:

Trees
(For Mrs. Henry Mills Alden)

I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.

A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the earth's sweet flowing breast;

A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

A tree that may in Summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;

Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.

Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree.
- Joyce Kilmer

[Veho Nex]

different approach? bah! he was just an overly-cautious commander who was way to bold with his moves.

Here Here!

[A Very Super Market]

As a commander, few can call him anything less than adequate. But without question, he was not going to advance past his Corps, for his personality was far too American for any ally, or underling to bear.

[John the Mad]

As a commander, few can call him anything less than adequate. But without question, he was not going to advance past his Corps, for his personality was far too American for any ally, or underling to bear.

Sorry but i have to take exception to a particular comment.

What do you mean his personality "was far too American for any ally"?

Eisenhower was the quintensencial American forging bonds,giving credit to allies,and allowing their troops to "liberate" cities that american units had already all but did.

Patton was a different beast then your average american.

Patton not only wanted to win..but he wanted the credit for it.

[A Very Super Market]

The stereotypical American, I meant. He was everything that Monty (And thus, the British and French generals) disliked incarnate, and Patton didn't give two s if they did think that. Monty was just as problematic, but he simply happened to the the British army's poster boy. Meanwhile, Eisenhower and Bradley already gave the Americans two capable commanders without the infamy that followed Patton around.

[John the Mad]

Here Here!

Start a He-Mans Montogomery Haters club thread.

Montgomery was an ass but so was Patton.

One of the strange things about the series was that it pointed out that alot of soldiers blamed things on Patton that were due to Bradley.