thanx, that was an interesting read and i always prefer factional opposition on anyone's border instead of eleutheroi. helvetic oposition in the Alps for the Romans and Celtic-Thace in the central Balcans for Makedonia and Epiros should go a great deal in acomplishing more accurate/ chalanging expansion patterns for the said factions and probably force the rome-epiros conflict to a more decisive conflict. in my current game it's 200 BC and the SPQR has conquered 1/2 of France while not taking a single Epirotes city while the Epirotes were compleatly driven off the Balkans by the Makedoinian's who got as far north as the Gethae capitol .