The misunderstanding of religion

**HoreTore** · 08-06-2009, 07:41

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Well, Louis completely missed my points, but nevermind.

About Sport: In Britain a lot of men go through cycles of rage and despair when their football team loses. There are cases of impotence and abuce for people with teams on long winning streaks. Sport provides too transient a payoff, and it's too competative, it can't even hold individual nations together.

"Some say football is a matter of life and death. I'm disappointed by that attitude; it is far more important than that."

Oh, and Rhyfelwyr, perhaps you should keep christianity's track record on domestic violence in mind when making such statements....

**Rhyfelwyr** · 08-06-2009, 13:10

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Oh, and Rhyfelwyr, perhaps you should keep christianity's track record on domestic violence in mind when making such statements....

I don't think you can blame that on Christianity, is there any society in history where domestic violence has not happened, never mind being fairly commonplace?

**HoreTore** · 08-06-2009, 15:00

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

I don't think you can blame that on Christianity, is there any society in history where domestic violence has not happened, never mind being fairly commonplace?

And yet you blame it on a football match?

**Marshal Murat** · 08-06-2009, 15:07

And yet you blame it on a football match?

I can see it now, a French Catholic returns home, disappointed because the local priest didn't say the sermon that he wanted. That hardly inspires serious domestic violence like the disappointment in the local team, if this is really the time for a discussion of religion in relation to domestic violence.

**HoreTore** · 08-06-2009, 15:11

Originally Posted by Marshal Murat

I can see it now, a French Catholic returns home, disappointed because the local priest didn't say the sermon that he wanted. That hardly inspires serious domestic violence like the disappointment in the local team, if this is really the time for a discussion of religion in relation to domestic violence.

Nah, not that situation. But how 'bout this one:

"I can see it now, a French Catholic returns home, excited because the local priest said that a wife is to be obedient to her husband, and that the husband should feel free to punish her as he sees fit."

And don't say that's never happened.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 08-06-2009, 15:19

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Nah, not that situation. But how 'bout this one:

"I can see it now, a French Catholic returns home, excited because the local priest said that a wife is to be obedient to her husband, and that the husband should feel free to punish her as he sees fit."

And don't say that's never happened.

Hardly the same, your notional Catholic doesn't walk in the door burning up with rage and looking for something to take it out on.

Also, I'd like to see you cite teaching that says the husband can, "punish her as he sees fit", generally the clergy were more interested in limiting domestic violence; even if you don't think those limitations went far enough.

**Marshal Murat** · 08-06-2009, 15:25

"I can see it now, a French Catholic returns home, excited because the local priest said that a wife is to be obedient to her husband, and that the husband should feel free to punish her as he sees fit."

It sounds more like a man who enjoys domestic abuse and only looking for an excuse to do so. How about in the Ming Dynasty when the parents could bind the feet of their daughters with impunity? That sounds like domestic violence to me, sanctioned but not influenced by Christianity at all.