Corinth isn't a homeland region for Greeks?

**John the Mad** · 08-04-2009, 05:33

I decided to try my hand at something different and started a game as the Greeks.

Imagine my suprise that the highest level of goverment availble once you take Corinth is a TypeII!

Is this a mistake?

**Gaius Scribonius Curio** · 08-04-2009, 05:42

AFAIK, Type 1 represents the a province under the direct rule of a Spartan type government. Type 2 tends towards a more Athenian style city. Then again I could well be wrong...

**Apraxiteles** · 08-04-2009, 05:45

I believe that is the case, however, you can build a Spartan-style government in Athens, so I doubt that's why you can't build a Type1 government in Korinthos.

**J.R.M** · 08-04-2009, 05:55

Yep.. pretty much that, take into consideration that KH goverment types aren´t like those of Romans or others, after all they are not a single faction, remember it´s a league of greek cities, each one with their own kind of goverment.

As far as i remember the Goverment tipes are:

1- Spartan Agoge System: some cities with some way of Spartan influence??
2- Democracy or something like that i believe?
3- Local tyrant: 1 guy with power!!
4- Allied greek city: Another greek city in Da League with all autonomy.
Well that´s all i can remember, maybe someone with more knowledge will instruct u more than this, i´m falling, i want to SLEEP! Cya.

**TheStranger** · 08-04-2009, 13:04

Nice, I wanted to start a thread on the same topic, cause I was asking me why I can build a type 1 government on Crete and not for Corinthe or for Chalkis. Does anyone know why Crete allows the type 1 government?

btw. the type 2 government is the Hellenic Klerouchy.

**bobbin** · 08-04-2009, 16:27

I think krete had a similar culture to sparta and so would be more accepting of a Agoge system, don't know why Athens is able to build one though, as you'd assume they would be completely opposed to a spartan agoge.

**AttilaDerHunn** · 08-04-2009, 17:37

Originally Posted by TheStranger

Nice, I wanted to start a thread on the same topic, cause I was asking me why I can build a type 1 government on Crete and not for Corinthe or for Chalkis. Does anyone know why Crete allows the type 1 government?

btw. the type 2 government is the Hellenic Klerouchy.

Krete was founded by the people who had the same ideals as the spartans did

AFAIK,after the minoan civilization , no major state inforced rule on krete until the expansions and founding of colonies of the peleponnesian states

**Bumblebee** · 08-06-2009, 01:25

I recently started a Koinon Hellenon campaign myself and also found this a bit odd. Just with how the system of expansion works, it was a bit of a change to steer away from the Roman method where you know Italia is Homeland and the gist of your nearby conquests are Subjugation ready.

**Rahwana** · 08-06-2009, 10:02

Hostorically, Corinth in 272 BC is more "Macedonian" centered than "KH" centered, as well as there was a fact that Macedonian - dominated federation was named "Corinthian Language". So it make sense if Corinth was become not a "homeland" to the greeks that time...

**Ludens** · 08-06-2009, 12:36

Originally Posted by J.R.M

Yep.. pretty much that, take into consideration that KH goverment types aren´t like those of Romans or others, after all they are not a single faction, remember it´s a league of greek cities, each one with their own kind of goverment.

As far as i remember the Goverment tipes are:

1- Spartan Agoge System: some cities with some way of Spartan influence??
2- Democracy or something like that i believe?
3- Local tyrant: 1 guy with power!!
4- Allied greek city: Another greek city in Da League with all autonomy.

Correct, although I am pretty sure that type II does not represent a government-style but full inclusion in the KH without institution of the agoge. Type III and IV are partial inclusion in the KH.

Originally Posted by Sonic

Hostorically, Corinth in 272 BC is more "Macedonian" centered than "KH" centered, as well as there was a fact that Macedonian - dominated federation was named "Corinthian Language". So it make sense if Corinth was become not a "homeland" to the greeks that time...

No, for the KH "Homeland" represent provinces where the agoge can be instituted, while "expansion" are non-agoge Hellenic provinces.

Originally Posted by bobbin

I think krete had a similar culture to sparta and so would be more accepting of a Agoge system, don't know why Athens is able to build one though, as you'd assume they would be completely opposed to a spartan agoge.

The Cretans used the same communal messes system that the Spartans used: institution of the Agoge would be possible there. Thessaly and Byzantium were given homeland resources because there were helot-like underclasses present. I am not sure why Taras and Delphi get the homeland resource, though. Maybe they were Spartan colonies?