Spartan Shoes/Boots?
Spartans had apparantly a special type of shoe and seeing how conservative it was it most likely used it at EBs time frame as well.
Though it would definately be a special sight to see crimson red shoes.
http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/vie...p?f=19&t=26877
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heads up, another on the forum have made a similar comment about spartan shoes?lack of shoes. Find sources. title or ISBN would be great for the book by sekunda mentioned in the url. Am I to assume it is an osprey publishinng
Last edited by paramedicguyer; 08-04-2009 at 19:48. Reason: forgot info
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Lol. Assuming the Spartans used outdated equipment solely because they were "conservative" is somewhat ridiculous:Originally Posted by Phalanx300
Hey, guess what?! I think the Spartans used stone-tipped spears and wooden armour during EB's timeframe, seeing how conservative they were and all!
Last edited by Megas Methuselah; 08-05-2009 at 00:10.
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Dude, I'm sure you've read the new thread from krusader...so why be lke that?
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We have a statue from the 2nd c. AD showing these boots in use from Sparta.
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It was an honest reply. Being "conservative" isn't enough of a reason to conclude Spartans used outdated equipment. Unfortunately for me...
... the professor appeared and brought proper evidence. *exasperated sigh*
EDIT: Wait, is this statue entirely conclusive? For all we know, judging by the fact that this statue was dated to the 2nd century AD, these boots could merely have been a revived fashion in Sparta, a fashion which was non-existent during EB's timeframe. I'm not saying that this was the case, but we'd need more solid evidence to deduce that these particular boots were widely used amongst the Spartans during EB's timeframe.
Last edited by Megas Methuselah; 08-05-2009 at 03:35.
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Meth was not spamming, it was a jest in the topic of the thread and completely legitimate IMHO. And he had a point too. Nor did he disrupt the thread by prompting more spam, other than my Apology.
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OMGWTF... They use Pilos helmet which was around way back and bronze muscled cuirasses as well. They grow bears which was an Archaic practice.Same with their long cloaks.
And hell they still fight as Hoplites here!
THEY DO USE OUTDATED EQUIPMENT ALREADY!!
I gues that makes them stone age men?
Last edited by Phalanx300; 08-05-2009 at 20:39.
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Dude. Spears are nevar outdated. Whaddya think the bayonet is ?
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A knife on a stick?Dude. Spears are nevar outdated. Whaddya think the bayonet is ?Well I gues you can call that a spear.
Last edited by Phalanx300; 08-05-2009 at 20:49.
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Holy ****!They grow bears
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Oh, I see - you meant beards.
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Until someone brings along some hard evidence, I'll give your unreasoned logic the benefit of the doubt.OMGWTF... They use Pilos helmet which was around way back and bronze muscled cuirasses as well. They grow bears which was an Archaic practice.
THEY DO USE OUTDATED EQUIPMENT ALREADY!!
I gues that makes them stone age men?
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Indeed, so unreasoned, Spartan shoes are a thing later adapted like the Pilos, and there has been many mentions of Spartan/Lakonian shoes.
What many are doubting from The Spartan Army book is that he claims Spartan shoes were crimson red, the fact that they existed isn't.
http://books.google.nl/books?q=Spartan+Shoes
Edit: Here is a quote of that book about the shoe:
Even so, we hear of a special type of Lakonian shoe. Literary sources describe it as being single-soled (haplai). Demosthenes (54. 34) referred to 'those who Lakonize with their tribounes and single-soled footwear'. Consenquently, we can identify the open-toed sandal with a tongue at the top, on statues of Greek philosophers, as the Lakonian shoe. Pollux (Onom. 7. 88) informed us the shoe was coloured red (not crimson).
Last edited by Phalanx300; 08-09-2009 at 16:26.
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Thank you, that is much more suitable than your "Spartanz r conzervatif so dey use old bootz."
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Seeing that they still use Archaic things thats actually not that weird.
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That may be so, but it still isn't conclusive.Seeing that they still use Archaic things thats actually not that weird.
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Yet it does speak in support of it.
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I don't think you'll be looking at their shoes when they are man-training their way through a bunch of poor Pantodapoi.
Last edited by antisocialmunky; 08-12-2009 at 13:23.
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Shoes.
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shoes
... if you really want to be technical.
Last edited by antisocialmunky; 08-12-2009 at 13:28.
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But the first word in a sentence is always capitalized.shoes
... if you really want to be technical.
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I'm not denying that. But it is still a point that you, in your opening post, had taken too far.Yet it does speak in support of it.
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Sparta is all about convervatism, which made them a very stable nation as well.
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"Stable" would be pretty relative in that context, IIRC some of the TWC discussions on the topic. Helot trouble, anyone ? Or the occasional lolroyaldrama, such as that preceding Leonidas' ascension to kingship ?
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When compared to other nations it definately was stable and continious.
The Helots, that would only relate to the Messenian Helots as the Lakonian Helots found themselves Lakonians. And the Spartans treated them well like they did the Lakonian Helots before and then they massively rebelled which ment the second Messenian war and after that the Spartans started their brutal oppresion as revenge.
A royal drama? It was hardly a drama which put the entire state in crisis.
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Resistence to change is a two edge sword. It only works as long as conditions don't change and it makes you hopeless when you do try to change.
See Agis IV and Cleomenes III.
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Well it only makes you hopeless when you face a changed army which structure is superior. When Cleomenes was finally able to make his reforms Sparta quickly became the leading state in the Peloponessos again which eventually led to Makedonia intervering.
In his campaign I like the fact that the Acheans had a 3 times bigger army at one point but thought they would be no match for the Spartans.
When the Spartans adopted the Macedonian Phalanx they excelled at it, seeing they hold their own against Makedonian pikemen who were 32 ranks deep instead of the 16 deep of the Spartans.
And of the 6000 Spartans only 200 survived, really the last true battle of Sparta. Afterwards it just went downwards with Tyrants.
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And Nabis rofl.
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Yeah, afterwards it lost all what made it Sparta.
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