Possibly the most pathetic display of racism ever.

[Fragony]

@Horetore

Well people are idiots, myself included. I'd pick the Hell's Angel's over muslim gangs, it's scum but it's our scum, as we already have scum we don't need more scum. In the end the muslims are guests and should behave like guests.

[Samurai Waki]

Lived in So. Cal. long enough to know, that any, and all gangs are bad news (and bad for business... but great for us lawyer types!) it didn't really matter what race or nationality they were, some were local, others imported, but they make life hell for everyone.

Anyhow, Hells Angels aren't Danish, they're an extension of a similarly named group of neanderthals who once roamed the US and Canada in vast swathes, but ultimately, whether it be through leaders getting jailed, or some of them just getting bored with it, became something of a ghost. I'm not sure why the Hells Angels have continued to persist for so long in Europe, but turf wars are gonna happen, its almost unavoidable, nature of the beast, if they've consolidated their gains, and wiped out everyone else, some guys are going to have the great idea that they don't like the current leadership and are going to splinter, and you have the same situation all over again.

[Fragony]

I'm not sure why the Hells Angels have continued to persist for so long in Europe.

Most people see them as a club of Harley Davidson enthousiasts, and for the most part that is true, it's hard to fight them. In Denmark we see their true nature.

[lars573]

Anyhow, Hells Angels aren't Danish, they're an extension of a similarly named group of neanderthals who once roamed the US and Canada in vast swathes, but ultimately, whether it be through leaders getting jailed, or some of them just getting bored with it, became something of a ghost. I'm not sure why the Hells Angels have continued to persist for so long in Europe, but turf wars are gonna happen, its almost unavoidable, nature of the beast, if they've consolidated their gains, and wiped out everyone else, some guys are going to have the great idea that they don't like the current leadership and are going to splinter, and you have the same situation all over again.

Actually in Canada the Hells Angels were the only coast to coast criminal organization. Biker gangs ARE organized crime here.

[Mooks]

Actually in Canada the Hells Angels were the only coast to coast criminal organization. Biker gangs ARE organized crime here.

Ya, the hells angels havent dissapeared, in the states there are still loads of HA.

[Samurai Waki]

Yeah, but the Hells Angels in the US have been effectively neutered, since the Early '90s when The States they would pass through, started throwing every cop that could muster at them. Sorta put a damper on their recruitment, and trouble making.

[Beirut]

Actually in Canada the Hells Angels were the only coast to coast criminal organization. Biker gangs ARE organized crime here.

I read that there were only 200 full patch Hells Angels in Canada. The problem is they have thousands of groupies and wanabes and hangers on doing their dirty work.

[lars573]

Mafia, triades, Yakuza work the same way. Only a few full members and hordes of wannabes. There is a true crime series that History Television runs to meet their cancon about Hells Angels. Showed the locations of every chapter in every province once. There was at one point around 1998 that there was a Hells Angels branch in every major city from Halifax to Vancover.

[CBR]

Of course the real story, that even some politicians have realized, is that ever since the police cracked down on the big hash trade in Christiania the violence has escalated...

It is not even worth big headlines anymore when someone gets shot. But maybe it will start a proper debate about the whole idea of illegal hash. When even rightwing politicians start talking about a model similar to the Netherlands something is up.


CBR

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Is it too much to hope that this gangwar will result in a "dead tie?"

"Our nativist scum are better than you interloper scum" was tried in the 5 points awhile back. The answer is they're all a waste.

[naut]

Actually in Canada the Hells Angels were the only coast to coast criminal organization. Biker gangs ARE organized crime here.

Same in Australia. We have Hells Angels, Gypsy Jokers, Nomads, The Finks, Rebels, Commancheros and Bandidos. With the Commancheros, Finks, Nomads and Rebels at war with the Bandidos, Hells Angels and Notorious. They all are generally mix-race gangs, but Notorious is mostly Arabic/Pacific Islander/other Middle Eastern and the Gypsy Jokers and Finks are predominantly white.

There are also numerous South-East Asian and Chinese gangs in Sydney and still quite a few Italian families in Melbourne.

There is a disturbing rise in Middle Eastern gangs in the Sydney's Inner West, with four major gangs Dlasthr (The Last Hour or Assyrian Kings), the Muslim Brotherhood Movement, Asesinoz MC and Brothers For Life (BFL). Dlasthr is more organised, etc, while MBM, Asesinoz and BFL are involved in petty crime and Islamic extremism. They rival the Bra Boys, who are mostly white surfers, but they do have some high-profile rugby-league players in their ranks.

So I guess Horetore we have a similar situation to what y'all in Scandinavia have. And my 2 cents, the reason white-Australians here will support the white gangs, despite them all being involved in crime, is that the Middle Eastern gangs here are based around Islamic extremism, anti-Australian acts and violence against whites.

[Kadagar_AV]

It all boils down to this, from where I am from:

There will ALWAYS be crime... Heck, I wouldnt smoke weed if it weren't! Now, what group do I support...

A) Hells Angels... These guys have the same basic belief system as me... I mean, YES they are criminals... Some of them are totally out of controll. But the main majority of them follow the common inofficial rules as are upheld by society at large...

B) Some Arabic gang... These guys rape women for dressing as whores (you know, they are not dressed like ninjas in skirts) and their prefered victim of robbery (and violation) is white men...





How could I EVER choose between them?

Get real.

[LittleGrizzly]

A) White scum

B) Black scum

How could you choose between them... good point!

[Kadagar_AV]

A) White scum

B) Black scum

How could you choose between them... good point!

Thank you for your contribution to the debate. You CLEARLY rocked my world.

[Megas Methuselah]

It all boils down to this, from where I am from:

There will ALWAYS be crime... Heck, I wouldnt smoke weed if it weren't! Now, what group do I support...

A) Hells Angels... These guys have the same basic belief system as me... I mean, YES they are criminals... Some of them are totally out of controll. But the main majority of them follow the common inofficial rules as are upheld by society at large...

B) Some Arabic gang... These guys rape women for dressing as whores (you know, they are not dressed like ninjas in skirts) and their prefered victim of robbery (and violation) is white men...





How could I EVER choose between them?

Get real.

Why would you need to voice your support for either group? The only side you should be on is the law, and that places you against both of those groups of criminals. To do otherwise (by your argument, anyways) is only a sign of both racism and ignorance, things which our world certainly doesn't need anymore.

[Fragony]

Why would you need to voice your support for either group? The only side you should be on is the law, and that places you against both of those groups of criminals. To do otherwise (by your argument, anyways) is only a sign of both racism and ignorance, things which our world certainly doesn't need anymore.

Makes perfect sense to me, if the Hell's Angel's don't affect my life, but arab gangs do, I would be more positive about the Hell's Angels. I don't really care about organized crime, it's the shadow-ecomomy, I do care about granny's being robbed.

[Kadagar_AV]

Why would you need to voice your support for either group? The only side you should be on is the law, and that places you against both of those groups of criminals. To do otherwise (by your argument, anyways) is only a sign of both racism and ignorance, things which our world certainly doesn't need anymore.

I do not support either group. However, with my support or not, they are there. And if I have to choose between them, I'd go with HA.

They do not interfere in my everyday life, arabic gangs do.

[Husar]

@Horetore

Well people are idiots, myself included. I'd pick the Hell's Angel's over muslim gangs, it's scum but it's our scum, as we already have scum we don't need more scum. In the end the muslims are guests and should behave like guests.

And we have guests over and should behave accordingly.
You see in arabian and other countries it often is "Would you like some tea? We don't have much but you can have what you want! Here, take some of that food..."
In the western world it often is "GTFO my lawn!"

[Fragony]

And we have guests over and should behave accordingly.

Of course. But immigrant crime pisses me of more than native crime, they have been welcomed in our society's it's abusing our hospitality. So if an immigrant shoots a Hells Angel it's 'good riddance', and if an Hell's Angel kills a criminal immigrant it's 'hehe good riddance'. That's a double standard, but that is how it is.

[Beirut]

Here in Quebec they are the scourge of God. At least they were. We had a big police operation a few months back that hit them really hard, and their Boss of Bosses was sent to jail for a long time a few years back. But before that they pretty much ran the province and did as they pleased and they were hyper-violent. And a lot of people thought it was just fine.

But then they set off a car bomb in a residential district - an attempted hit -and it killed an 11 year-old boy and everything changed. They didn't care that they killed the kid, but the public was seriously peeved and not long after the cops started smacking them down. Now their bunkers are seized and bulldozed and there are ongoing mass arrests.

Personally, if I was in charge, I'd disappear these *******. There's no reason we have to tolerate them.

[Crazed Rabbit]

A couple years back, the police in my home county did a big raid on the Banditos around here. There hadn't been a lot of violence, just accusations of smuggling and the like. The leader of the group was only made to promise not to enter the county any more at the end of it so it seems they didn't have much.

But before that, in my hometown, I saw a poster urging donations to their legal defense fund in a restaurant (not a bar).

As for the preference of one gang over the other, it might be just "better the devil we know" than racism for some (not all) people.

CR

[rvg]

So....basically a group of criminals is beating on another group of criminals. The bystanders support criminals of their color. I don't see a problem here, it's just human nature.

[Kadagar_AV]

Hells Angels have moral codes not shared by muslim gangs.

I've ran into HA on a few occasions, they always treated me with respect and I have had no problem drinking some beer with them.

The muslim gangmembers I've met though... Don't even get me started.

I think it makes perfect sence that people support HA in this case.