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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Hells Angels have moral codes not shared by muslim gangs.
    Oh come on. Either you're on a trip here, or the Hells Angels you've got over there are saints compared to the ones we have here. They certainly have absolutely no respect for "civilians".

    And every gang or criminal has their own moral codes. That's a universal thing, part of the whole "gang experience". It differs from gang to gang, yes. But the gentleman ganger is a complete myth. They're all complete scumbags.

    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    So....basically a group of criminals is beating on another group of criminals. The bystanders support criminals of their color. I don't see a problem here, it's just human nature.
    So it's human nature to support murderers, rapist and human traffickers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    So it's human nature to support murderers, rapist and human traffickers?
    Oh, get off your high horse already. It's human nature when confronted by two evils to pick the lesser one. Hell's Angels are the devil they know, while the muslim gang is the devil they don't know. That's all there's to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Oh, get off your high horse already. It's human nature when confronted by two evils to pick the lesser one. Hell's Angels are the devil they know, while the muslim gang is the devil they don't know. That's all there's to it.
    Bingo, I'm much more confident about judging when an Englishman will nutt or knife me, with an Arabian I have no idea. Also, even the hardest gangs have men with families. The more local ties the mob has, the better off you are. Foriegn mob doesn't care at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    It's human nature when confronted by two evils to pick the lesser one.
    I think HoreTore's point is that you don't have to pick - you can, like most public figures would, condemn both kinds of law-breakers. That otherwise decent people identify with one set of villains is, I would agree with the OP, pathetic even if it is "human nature". Pathos and the human condition are scarcely strangers.

    I suspect it relates to:

    Quote Originally Posted by Insane Apache
    The more local ties the mob has, the better off you are.
    Race aside, there can be a surprising amount of support for local mobsters - I am thinking, for example, of some East End villains in London who were held up as local heroes in some pubs etc. I've never really understood it, as the celebrity criminals are invariably rather stupid and dangerous predators. I guess they prey only on a relatively few unfortunates, so the rest can indulge in fantasies about them as heroes without too much risk of being proved wrong.

    I was wondering whether people rather side with criminals of the same colour because, if anyone is going to be racist, it is likely to be criminals and hence you are safer with your "own". That might be true if you accidentally stray into the wrong neighbourhood - even a racially blind mugger tends to target the confused newcomer. But because people tend to stay among their own, I am pretty sure criminals tend to prey more on their own communities (black on black crime in the US etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by econ21 View Post
    I think HoreTore's point is that you don't have to pick - you can, like most public figures would, condemn both kinds of law-breakers. That otherwise decent people identify with one set of villains is, I would agree with the OP, pathetic even if it is "human nature". Pathos and the human condition are scarcely strangers.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Bingo, I'm much more confident about judging when an Englishman will nutt or knife me, with an Arabian I have no idea. Also, even the hardest gangs have men with families. The more local ties the mob has, the better off you are. Foriegn mob doesn't care at all.
    You're confusing "foreign gang" and "immigrant gang". The immigrant gang in question here are just as local as any other danish gang.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    You're confusing "foreign gang" and "immigrant gang". The immigrant gang in question here are just as local as any other danish gang.
    How "danish" are these guys culturally? Are there any Danes in the house who can answer this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    How "danish" are these guys culturally? Are there any Danes in the house who can answer this?
    Anything from a third to first generation immigrant.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Anything from a third to first generation immigrant.
    That describes literally nothing at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    How "danish" are these guys culturally? Are there any Danes in the house who can answer this?
    You're basically asking "how long do you have to live in Denmark, to be considered Danish?" I don't know if you're ever going to get a reliable consensus.

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    Yeah, but is having a stamp that says "danish" in your passport enough to be considered of danish culture?


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