What´s with GB vs France in 1705ad with 1.3?

[PseRamesses]

There are threads regarding DoW´s but this is a fixed point I can´t get around. Has anyone experienced similar things?

Last weekend I started a game with GB, with a new strat;) Playing along fine until 1705 when France Dow me. Hmm, don´t want that now, I´m testing a new strategy so I reloaded a save game and same thing happens. I change a couple of things in my save and reload - war again. I back up two saves and change things around but in 1705, war! Back up 3, 4, 5 etc saves, still no change.

Ok, I start up a new game. Same thing happens. I repeat all steps above with no change. So I started my 3rd new game up last night. Changed my strat and did most things differently but still I get a Dow from France. This time I´m allied to Austria, UP, 13 Col plus Inuit, Huron, Iroquois, Cherokee, Plains, Westphalia, Württemberg AND Savoy = every good d--m neighbour to France, except Spain, on every continent. Is Louis XIV suicidal?

So what happens? Spain cancels their alliance and ALL ov my allies jump on France. Hey, devs! This is NOT a game, it´s a machocists wet dream.

[Didz]

Before 1.3 I found reloading from the Autosave and running the end of turn again usually avoided these random DOW's. But CA seem to have got wise to that strategy and now it rarely if ever works.

[Husar]

Before 1.3 I found reloading from the Autosave and running the end of turn again usually avoided these random DOW's. But CA seem to have got wise to that strategy and now it rarely if ever works.

"Oh snap, some of out customers are actually using an exploit that makes them like the game a little more, we gotta fix that ASAP!"

[Didz]

"Oh snap, some of out customers are actually using an exploit that makes them like the game a little more, we gotta fix that ASAP!"

Thats about it.

[Servius]

Sorry if this is OT, but I gotta vent.

I've been playing Russia for a while, since it's a big enough change of pace from the usual nations I play. Anyway, I took St. Petersburg and am Poland's only ally. Poland, being completely stupid, has declared war on everyone, even though Austria and Prussis are eating them alive. So what does Poland do now? They send a stack towards St. Petersburg, split it into 4 little forces, and just camp around my city. They don't attack, which I guess is good and a slight improvement over the current BS DOWs where Allies stab you in the back with absolutely no logical reason to do so. But while Poland is losing Poland, this army just continues to camp around St. Petersburg, doing NOTHING!

In my last few turns, Prussia takes one of Poland's last major territories. What does Poland do? They send another stack towards Moscow...

Completely asinine. The DAI and CAI are broken. None of your diplomatic relationships mean anything except Protectorates and Trade Partners as at least you do actually get some economic benefit from them. As far as war goes, it's you vs. the world, no matter what the diplomatic screen says. It's very odd you know, because when the game first came out, Diplomacy worked much better than it does now. It was after the 1st or 2nd patch, when some people were complaining about how they could play through a whole game without going to war that CA 'made the AI more aggressive', which basically broke diplomacy.

[Durallan]

well the british and french have always hated each other throughout history, of course these days they aren't overly likely to declare war on each other, but its still there in little bits on each side. As to getting a DoW every single time, i haven't played the game recently myself, but have you given the french a state gift? its possible your holding some territory they want, maybe send a state gift (only the china, the other ones don't seem to give a bonus well noticeable anyway) ask for a trade agreement, however I don't know how if you will stop the french attacking you, unfortunately as great britian is such a little fortress, and the AI seems to think it can walk across to britian at a low tide, it must think it can declare war on your most likely low staffed regions with its larger armies, and yet never bothers to launch an invasion across the channel.

the only ways to not let france declare war on you is give it what it wants, and give the UK a high garrisson rate and both will heavily cut into your economic expansion at the start of the game, but the only other choice is war I spose

[Skott]

Sorry if this is OT, but I gotta vent.

I've been playing Russia for a while, since it's a big enough change of pace from the usual nations I play. Anyway, I took St. Petersburg and am Poland's only ally. Poland, being completely stupid, has declared war on everyone, even though Austria and Prussis are eating them alive. So what does Poland do now? They send a stack towards St. Petersburg, split it into 4 little forces, and just camp around my city. They don't attack, which I guess is good and a slight improvement over the current BS DOWs where Allies stab you in the back with absolutely no logical reason to do so. But while Poland is losing Poland, this army just continues to camp around St. Petersburg, doing NOTHING!

In my last few turns, Prussia takes one of Poland's last major territories. What does Poland do? They send another stack towards Moscow...

Completely asinine. The DAI and CAI are broken. None of your diplomatic relationships mean anything except Protectorates and Trade Partners as at least you do actually get some economic benefit from them. As far as war goes, it's you vs. the world, no matter what the diplomatic screen says. It's very odd you know, because when the game first came out, Diplomacy worked much better than it does now. It was after the 1st or 2nd patch, when some people were complaining about how they could play through a whole game without going to war that CA 'made the AI more aggressive', which basically broke diplomacy.

When playing Russia, which is one of my fav factions to play, I have never seen what you described although I have seen similar things happen when playing other factions, just hasnt happened yet with Russia and Poland. Anyway, what I like to do is give Poland money and technology to keep them going. I basically use Poland as a wall to seperate Russia from Prussia and Austria until I'm ready to go to war with them.

Now some may say they cant make enough money to support an ally like that but it doesnt take a whole lot really and what really helps is that you give them technology that other factions dont have. The AI in this game doesnt really tech up all that fast and for some factions they dont seem to tech up at all. Give Poland square, bayonet, and fire at will tech as soon as you get them (I go for these right away) and watch Poland kick some butt especially once you add techs that give howitzers. Then just sprinkle in some needed cash as gifts from time to time so they can build those units.

In fact nowadays I give away all my techs to all the other factions as soon as I get them. Makes for a more difficult fight on the battle map since there isnt a huge disparity tech wise between my units and the enemy's. The AI still cant outwit me but their units are a little tougher since they have the same abilities as mine do. So if you want to have your allies (in this case Poland) do more for you give them your techs as soon as you get them but dont give techs to your enemies. They'll perform in battles better against their opponents.

I hope these tips help you out.

As for the Poles hanging around St. Petersburg to me thats a AI glitch in the game. Only thing to stop it that I can think of is to start a new campaign. It sucks but it shouldnt happen everytime so a new campaign should stop it.

[sassbarman]

Sorry if this is OT, but I gotta vent.

I've been playing Russia for a while, since it's a big enough change of pace from the usual nations I play. Anyway, I took St. Petersburg and am Poland's only ally. Poland, being completely stupid, has declared war on everyone, even though Austria and Prussis are eating them alive. So what does Poland do now? They send a stack towards St. Petersburg, split it into 4 little forces, and just camp around my city. They don't attack, which I guess is good and a slight improvement over the current BS DOWs where Allies stab you in the back with absolutely no logical reason to do so. But while Poland is losing Poland, this army just continues to camp around St. Petersburg, doing NOTHING!

In my last few turns, Prussia takes one of Poland's last major territories. What does Poland do? They send another stack towards Moscow...

Completely asinine. The DAI and CAI are broken. None of your diplomatic relationships mean anything except Protectorates and Trade Partners as at least you do actually get some economic benefit from them. As far as war goes, it's you vs. the world, no matter what the diplomatic screen says. It's very odd you know, because when the game first came out, Diplomacy worked much better than it does now. It was after the 1st or 2nd patch, when some people were complaining about how they could play through a whole game without going to war that CA 'made the AI more aggressive', which basically broke diplomacy.

I believe what poland is doing is aiding you as an ally in defending st. petersburg. I've seen this behaviour in many of my campaigns where an AI controlled ally will stand next to one of my cities and join in on any battles fought there. I think it's pretty cool really and i will often return the favour.

[Servius]

First, please forgive my rude language in my original post. Thanks to Martok for removing the offending language. (PS: It still appears in post #7, you may want to edit it out of there too)

Second, I've seen that kind of error with other nations too. I had been supporting Poland by taking back their territories from the Prussians and Austrians and gifting them back to Poland. Unfortunately, I don't trust the DAI one bit anymore. I've been backstabbed by my "Allies" too many times. St. Petersburg and Moscow are probably two of Poland's victory conditions. I would love it if Poland was trying to support me by guarding my cities, but I'm sure that's not what was happening. No enemy troops were anywhere near those cities, so there was no risk to them (except from the Poles), and besides, Poland was losing its core territories while camping outside of mine. It was no loftier aim, the CAI is retarded and couldn't correctly prioritize it's need to defend it's own territory from it's desire to capture mine. This was a classic example of a broken link between the DAI and the CAI.
a) If the DAI was working, it would never contemplate attacking me, who had been supporting them and giving them back their land for free for several turns.
b) There was clearly a disconnect somewhere between the DAI and CAI because one of those two AIs knew it wanted to take my cities, and the CAI led the armies to the cities, but the DAI or CAI wouldn't let them attack, which made stationing the units there pointless.
c) The CAI is broken because it couldn't see the simple necessity that it should first defend its own home territories before even THINKING of trying to take cities from its ally...

Anyway, I got to the point where I didn't feel safe expanding anymore with the ticking time bomb of Polish troops camped out around my major cities, so I eventually did what I hate the AI for doing: I declared war on my "friend" Poland and took them out in two turns.

[Servius]

Back to the OT though, was there an actual war between France and GB that started in 1705? If so, perhaps this is akin to a scripted event.

My favorite way to learn about French wars is to Google "french military victories" and experience some clever manipulation of Google's search routine. Follow the first link, which tells you that Google couldn't find any such thing as a French military victory and instead asks if you meant French military defeats. You eventually find your way here...
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

Wiki suggests that the War of Spanish Succession may be the closest thing...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_...ish_Succession

[Yun Dog]

yep Im pretty sure the GB/France war is scripted - it has happened in every GB game I played, so is the Austria v Poland in the first few turns.

In my game as Prussia, I have finally waded through the years of 'TOTAL WAR' every nation attack the player. It was a slow and plainful process playing through several annoying little battles every turn, and having to garrison almost every city. I have finally rid myself of the annoying minors, and am getting into steam roll, turn clicking part of game, where no one can threaten me, its 1750. Russia my long time ally declared war (again) this is a border share war trigger, it would go off every few years, they would come with a piecemeal army, then they would accept peace. Finally I got tired of it so I decided this time I would attack them - all of their citys were undefended


what a joke