What´s with GB vs France in 1705ad with 1.3?

[PseRamesses]

There are threads regarding DoW´s but this is a fixed point I can´t get around. Has anyone experienced similar things?

Last weekend I started a game with GB, with a new strat;) Playing along fine until 1705 when France Dow me. Hmm, don´t want that now, I´m testing a new strategy so I reloaded a save game and same thing happens. I change a couple of things in my save and reload - war again. I back up two saves and change things around but in 1705, war! Back up 3, 4, 5 etc saves, still no change.

Ok, I start up a new game. Same thing happens. I repeat all steps above with no change. So I started my 3rd new game up last night. Changed my strat and did most things differently but still I get a Dow from France. This time I´m allied to Austria, UP, 13 Col plus Inuit, Huron, Iroquois, Cherokee, Plains, Westphalia, Württemberg AND Savoy = every good d--m neighbour to France, except Spain, on every continent. Is Louis XIV suicidal?

So what happens? Spain cancels their alliance and ALL ov my allies jump on France. Hey, devs! This is NOT a game, it´s a machocists wet dream.

[Didz]

Before 1.3 I found reloading from the Autosave and running the end of turn again usually avoided these random DOW's. But CA seem to have got wise to that strategy and now it rarely if ever works.

[Husar]

Before 1.3 I found reloading from the Autosave and running the end of turn again usually avoided these random DOW's. But CA seem to have got wise to that strategy and now it rarely if ever works.

"Oh snap, some of out customers are actually using an exploit that makes them like the game a little more, we gotta fix that ASAP!"

[Didz]

"Oh snap, some of out customers are actually using an exploit that makes them like the game a little more, we gotta fix that ASAP!"

Thats about it.

[Servius]

Sorry if this is OT, but I gotta vent.

I've been playing Russia for a while, since it's a big enough change of pace from the usual nations I play. Anyway, I took St. Petersburg and am Poland's only ally. Poland, being completely stupid, has declared war on everyone, even though Austria and Prussis are eating them alive. So what does Poland do now? They send a stack towards St. Petersburg, split it into 4 little forces, and just camp around my city. They don't attack, which I guess is good and a slight improvement over the current BS DOWs where Allies stab you in the back with absolutely no logical reason to do so. But while Poland is losing Poland, this army just continues to camp around St. Petersburg, doing NOTHING!

In my last few turns, Prussia takes one of Poland's last major territories. What does Poland do? They send another stack towards Moscow...

Completely asinine. The DAI and CAI are broken. None of your diplomatic relationships mean anything except Protectorates and Trade Partners as at least you do actually get some economic benefit from them. As far as war goes, it's you vs. the world, no matter what the diplomatic screen says. It's very odd you know, because when the game first came out, Diplomacy worked much better than it does now. It was after the 1st or 2nd patch, when some people were complaining about how they could play through a whole game without going to war that CA 'made the AI more aggressive', which basically broke diplomacy.

[Durallan]

well the british and french have always hated each other throughout history, of course these days they aren't overly likely to declare war on each other, but its still there in little bits on each side. As to getting a DoW every single time, i haven't played the game recently myself, but have you given the french a state gift? its possible your holding some territory they want, maybe send a state gift (only the china, the other ones don't seem to give a bonus well noticeable anyway) ask for a trade agreement, however I don't know how if you will stop the french attacking you, unfortunately as great britian is such a little fortress, and the AI seems to think it can walk across to britian at a low tide, it must think it can declare war on your most likely low staffed regions with its larger armies, and yet never bothers to launch an invasion across the channel.

the only ways to not let france declare war on you is give it what it wants, and give the UK a high garrisson rate and both will heavily cut into your economic expansion at the start of the game, but the only other choice is war I spose

[Skott]

Sorry if this is OT, but I gotta vent.

I've been playing Russia for a while, since it's a big enough change of pace from the usual nations I play. Anyway, I took St. Petersburg and am Poland's only ally. Poland, being completely stupid, has declared war on everyone, even though Austria and Prussis are eating them alive. So what does Poland do now? They send a stack towards St. Petersburg, split it into 4 little forces, and just camp around my city. They don't attack, which I guess is good and a slight improvement over the current BS DOWs where Allies stab you in the back with absolutely no logical reason to do so. But while Poland is losing Poland, this army just continues to camp around St. Petersburg, doing NOTHING!

In my last few turns, Prussia takes one of Poland's last major territories. What does Poland do? They send another stack towards Moscow...

Completely asinine. The DAI and CAI are broken. None of your diplomatic relationships mean anything except Protectorates and Trade Partners as at least you do actually get some economic benefit from them. As far as war goes, it's you vs. the world, no matter what the diplomatic screen says. It's very odd you know, because when the game first came out, Diplomacy worked much better than it does now. It was after the 1st or 2nd patch, when some people were complaining about how they could play through a whole game without going to war that CA 'made the AI more aggressive', which basically broke diplomacy.

When playing Russia, which is one of my fav factions to play, I have never seen what you described although I have seen similar things happen when playing other factions, just hasnt happened yet with Russia and Poland. Anyway, what I like to do is give Poland money and technology to keep them going. I basically use Poland as a wall to seperate Russia from Prussia and Austria until I'm ready to go to war with them.

Now some may say they cant make enough money to support an ally like that but it doesnt take a whole lot really and what really helps is that you give them technology that other factions dont have. The AI in this game doesnt really tech up all that fast and for some factions they dont seem to tech up at all. Give Poland square, bayonet, and fire at will tech as soon as you get them (I go for these right away) and watch Poland kick some butt especially once you add techs that give howitzers. Then just sprinkle in some needed cash as gifts from time to time so they can build those units.

In fact nowadays I give away all my techs to all the other factions as soon as I get them. Makes for a more difficult fight on the battle map since there isnt a huge disparity tech wise between my units and the enemy's. The AI still cant outwit me but their units are a little tougher since they have the same abilities as mine do. So if you want to have your allies (in this case Poland) do more for you give them your techs as soon as you get them but dont give techs to your enemies. They'll perform in battles better against their opponents.

I hope these tips help you out.

As for the Poles hanging around St. Petersburg to me thats a AI glitch in the game. Only thing to stop it that I can think of is to start a new campaign. It sucks but it shouldnt happen everytime so a new campaign should stop it.

[sassbarman]

Sorry if this is OT, but I gotta vent.

I've been playing Russia for a while, since it's a big enough change of pace from the usual nations I play. Anyway, I took St. Petersburg and am Poland's only ally. Poland, being completely stupid, has declared war on everyone, even though Austria and Prussis are eating them alive. So what does Poland do now? They send a stack towards St. Petersburg, split it into 4 little forces, and just camp around my city. They don't attack, which I guess is good and a slight improvement over the current BS DOWs where Allies stab you in the back with absolutely no logical reason to do so. But while Poland is losing Poland, this army just continues to camp around St. Petersburg, doing NOTHING!

In my last few turns, Prussia takes one of Poland's last major territories. What does Poland do? They send another stack towards Moscow...

Completely asinine. The DAI and CAI are broken. None of your diplomatic relationships mean anything except Protectorates and Trade Partners as at least you do actually get some economic benefit from them. As far as war goes, it's you vs. the world, no matter what the diplomatic screen says. It's very odd you know, because when the game first came out, Diplomacy worked much better than it does now. It was after the 1st or 2nd patch, when some people were complaining about how they could play through a whole game without going to war that CA 'made the AI more aggressive', which basically broke diplomacy.

I believe what poland is doing is aiding you as an ally in defending st. petersburg. I've seen this behaviour in many of my campaigns where an AI controlled ally will stand next to one of my cities and join in on any battles fought there. I think it's pretty cool really and i will often return the favour.