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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy1984 View Post
    History is - and I'm not talking about the academic level, but rather the pre-academic (whatever you call it) - in most situations a vague description of events. These are most often selected on grounds that support the dominant ideological view of a given society. I don't believe the US-history-teaching is in that regard any different than let's say the dutch 'canon'. (The latter is a highly debatable selection of events highlighting especially the Golden era, thus creating and re-establishing an often nationalist vision. Students in the Netherlands are expected to know them, just like immigrants in Belgium get a very specific vision on history during the 'inburgeringscursussen'. I thought a similar socialisation is known in the UK and the US, but I'm not sure.)
    How sad is it, that lessons where we fill those immigrants with our dutch nationalistic bullshit and let them learn the dutch language
    is grammatically incorrect. Because, since when is the dutch plural for Cursus 'Cursussen" and not cursi?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy1984 View Post
    You don't agree with history being aselect and supporting an ideological view? Ask yourself what exactly do you know about labour-history? How many socialist movements, 19th-century radical thinkers or anarchists you know? Does it stop with Marx and Engels? Do you know what exactly the opinions and theories of the other were? How many 19th-century social experiments do you know of? Which views did they supported, how were they organised and why did they cease to exist? What exactly do you know about the Commune of Paris, arguably one of the most important social events in the 19th century? Or about the way an ancient-regime royal court functioned? If you don't know too many of these, should you - as someone who has probably a far better historic knowlegde than the average person - claim to have a non-blatantly biased view on social or economic history? On political history? I for example only got a serious overview of these when I was at my second (and following) years at university.
    A lot, but I didn't learn this in school, I learned it by reading and studying marxist works myself, Schools see this history as evil. But even in the EB timescale, how many times didn't we have to learn how Athenian Democracy worked. And how many time didn't we have to learn about the Roman Republic and how that worked. But did you learn something about the Seleukid dynasty? Satrapy system? Cyropaedia? No, of course not! This is not what teh kidd0s have to learn in school, or they may even see systems other then democracy that works just fine (or even better, like Alexandros' reign), and we wouldn't want THAT, do we


    Quote Originally Posted by Andy1984 View Post
    Modern western politics with their elections differ in this very little from an election held in let's say North-Korea (perhaps apart from the use of explicit violence, preferring brain-washing instead). Just take a look at the comments about ETW when that game was released...
    And how do you call modern day election campaigns and almost deification (Obama, hint, hint) of candidates?
    Last edited by Skullheadhq; 08-14-2009 at 18:57.
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