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[Subotan]

In that case, could the thread be split so as to continue our discussion in the backroom? I'll post my reply here, out of convenience.

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you completely miss the point. terrorists attacking a country are not in a "war".

They think they are. They consider themselves soldiers, just like the IRA, Al Qaeda, Tamil Tigers, ETA etc. And they consider anyone who disagrees with them at war with them, regardless of whether they are combatants or not.

that is true murder. unprovoked killing.

Murder, as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being with intent (or malice aforethought),

Surely anyone who dies in conflict has been murdered, according to this definition?

and 3 and 4. when were those ever commited by real soldiers? I know that no one in the right mind would support walking in the street and killing passersby.

They were hypothetical scenarios, intended to highlight the absurdities of war, and the fact that black and white are non-existent in war.
Also, you might want to check these out.

it seems you are trying to say "terrorists affiliated with a country"

So you mean, state sponsored terrorism? That happens very rarely, as it seldom has any positive effects for the donor. Perhaps you mean proxy wars, Cold War style (Of course, you wouldn't be so foolish to mistake irregular soldiers like the Vietcong for terrorists...would you?).

rather than the more realistic "terrorists who simply hate those different from themselves and kill others for no reason.

That's not terrorism. That is just being a psychopath. Terrorists do have motives, and they seek to achieve them through the use of fear as a weapon.

lets take the "terrorists affiliated with a country" example. Vietnam War would fit this perfectly (Viet Cong terrorists with the North, in addition to the North's real army).

1. Probably happened, though merciless killing of everyone would have been strictly reprimanded by American authorities.

2. See above.

3. Never happened

4. Also never happened.


this is from the American Commando perspective. don't make up events and say that it is on an equal level no matter who is doing it.

I never said that they did happen. I said it was a thought experiment, and I said (twice) that the aim was for you to decide when war turned into murder, for both sides.

If an evil force kills thousands, and a good force kills thousands of the evil force, than is the good force truly evil? absolutely not..

Good and evil, (although according to Nietzsche, they don't even exist) are incredibly relative concepts. There is no "good force", or "evil force".

this would make all humans horrible and evil, and thus we would have no aspect of what good could possibly be

I think all humans, including myself, have the potential to do evil. The good comes about from resisting that. And killing people you disagree with is not doing good.

besides, you are going totally off-topic.

Ok, I admit I have gone totally way off topic.
But it's still interesting, don't you agree

if instead there was a war with russia in the game, and as an american/british soldier you had to slaughter civilians in a Russian airport, I would object just as much. it is the slaughtering of helpless and otherwise inconsequential civilians that everyone is against.

Yet you were OK with the shooting of German POWs in game in WaW, people who were pretty "inconsequential and helpless". I'm not saying that you shouldn't play that, but that it's hypocritical to say that that scenario is "kinda funny", and then to criticise a similar situation set in the modern day.

[Hooahguy]

aw man, they took the MW2 review vid down.

also, Subotan, what didnt you understand?

[Subotan]

I asked a mod to split the dicsussion, and my reply into a new thread.

[Prussian to the Iron]

instead oc reating the thread yourself and posting?

whatever. that topic is done with in this thread. dont want pissed off moderators now do we?

[a completely inoffensive name]

I am ok with the serious stuff being split into a new thread.

[Subotan]

instead oc reating the thread yourself and posting?

whatever. that topic is done with in this thread. dont want pissed off moderators now do we?

In case you haven't noticed, I lack the ability to split threads. Besides, we're more likely to get a wider range of viewpoints from the backroom.

Yo, Mods, could one of you split the serious stuff into a new thread in the backroom, please?

[Prussian to the Iron]

In case you haven't noticed, I lack the ability to split threads. Besides, we're more likely to get a wider range of viewpoints from the backroom.

Yo, Mods, could one of you split the serious stuff into a new thread in the backroom, please?

i meant making a new thread, not splitting this one.

keep it to MW2 talk guys.

[frogbeastegg]

Topic splitting is only really feasible when there's a small number of posts to be moved. There's 49 to move here.