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    Quote Originally Posted by Azathoth View Post
    The alternative is that Cleomenes has 8000 phalangites.
    Again where do you base that from? All sources I've read said 6000 Spartan Phalangites.

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    After Antigonus had taken Tegea by siege, and had surprised Orchomenus and Mantineia, Cleomenes, now reduced to the narrow confines of Laconia, set free those of the Helots who could pay down five Attic minas (thereby raising a sum of five hundred talents), armed two thousand of them in Macedonian fashion as an offset to the White Shields of Antigonus, and planned an undertaking which was great and entirely unexpected.
    Macedonian fashion = pike phalanx. So 2000 pike phalanx here, and if you add 6000 more Spartans that's 8000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azathoth View Post
    Macedonian fashion = pike phalanx. So 2000 pike phalanx here, and if you add 6000 more Spartans that's 8000.
    Yes, after he changed the Spartan army he added 2000 Helots into the Spartan Phalanx which numbered 4000 without them, such things happened before. When Sparta gave Helots full citizenship they would become Neodamodeis.
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    Uh-huh, those were two separate instances. Ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azathoth View Post
    Uh-huh, those were two separate instances. Ok.
    Yes it were, yet where does it say then that the Spartan Phalanx numbered 6000 before that?

    The 6000 Spartans at Sellasia of which were 2000 previous Helots.

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    Yes it were, yet where does it say then that the Spartan Phalanx numbered 6000 before that?

    The 6000 Spartans at Sellasia of which were 2000 previous Helots.
    I was agreeing with you; sorry if I sounded sarcastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azathoth View Post
    I was agreeing with you; sorry if I sounded sarcastic.
    Oh, seemed like you were beeing sarcastic. Though the rest of Cleomenes his army isn't very called as detailed with numbers and what kind of units.

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