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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Person's choice. The person should have the choice not to wear them, not necessarily be "banned". However, it should fit in with clothing standards, such as health or safety regulation.

    On the other hand, there are certain biniki's being banned because it is clothing designed to make women sexual objects and mark them as inferior beings for a man's pleasure. Away with the bikini, it's a disgrace.
    Clothing? That's a secondary issue when it comes to womens rights. The primary issue is economic independence. Without that, none of the other stuff is possible, nor is it even relevant. Without economic independence, the woman remains a slave. You can make her well trained and well dressed, but she will still be a slave.

    First get her an income. Then you can worry about all the other stuff.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Clothing? That's a secondary issue when it comes to womens rights. The primary issue is economic independence. Without that, none of the other stuff is possible, nor is it even relevant. Without economic independence, the woman remains a slave. You can make her well trained and well dressed, but she will still be a slave.

    First get her an income. Then you can worry about all the other stuff.
    Yep. Equal opportunity and equal pay. The rest will follow on its own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Clothing? That's a secondary issue when it comes to womens rights. The primary issue is economic independence. Without that, none of the other stuff is possible, nor is it even relevant. Without economic independence, the woman remains a slave. You can make her well trained and well dressed, but she will still be a slave.

    First get her an income. Then you can worry about all the other stuff.
    Well that isn't a very realistic course of events now is it, why would one hire a blue sack without eyes when one can hire something that resembles a human being.

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    Well that isn't a very realistic course of events now is it, why would one hire a blue sack without eyes when one can hire something that resembles a human being.
    Well, an example would be to service other blue sacks in a blue sack neighborhood. In that case it would totally make sense to hire a blue sack for the job.
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    This is starting to sound kinky.

    I would like to think that qualifications and personal qualities would overcome something as petty as a persons appearance.

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    What a silly thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miotas View Post
    This is starting to sound kinky.

    I would like to think that qualifications and personal qualities would overcome something as petty as a persons appearance.
    Well, allthough he worded it "Fragonesque", I kinda agree with Fragony.

    An employer won't hire you if you constantly want to wear a burqua.

    For some jobs, it's probably just not safe, and in other jobs you have dresscodes (banks, law firms, stores, ...).

    So, by insisting to constantly be allowed to wear the burqua, you exclude yourself from many job opportunities. Which also addresses HoreTore's point about being able to get an income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andres View Post
    Well, allthough he worded it "Fragonesque", I kinda agree with Fragony.

    An employer won't hire you if you constantly want to wear a burqua.

    For some jobs, it's probably just not safe, and in other jobs you have dresscodes (banks, law firms, stores, ...).

    So, by insisting to constantly be allowed to wear the burqua, you exclude yourself from many job opportunities. Which also addresses HoreTore's point about being able to get an income.

    Welcome in the real world
    Of course there are jobs where all that loose clothing would make you unemployable if you insisted on wearing it, and I accept that some companies have dress codes, in much the same way that someone with excessive tats or peircings would stop them getting the said job, but it was their choice, and they didn't get the job

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    Quote Originally Posted by miotas View Post
    Of course there are jobs where all that loose clothing would make you unemployable if you insisted on wearing it, and I accept that some companies have dress codes, in much the same way that someone with excessive tats or peircings would stop them getting the said job, but it was their choice, and they didn't get the job
    Well, probably going a bit off topic here, but if your choice makes it practically impossible to get a job, should you be allowed to get unemployment benefits?

    We don't feel pity with the lazy guy who doesn't leave his bed to go looking for a job. How about the religious woman who dresses herself as such that it's impossible for her to get a job. Should she get unemployment benefits?
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    Welcome in the real world
    Ah the real world .
    So say France where this story is from, it has the staggering amount of about 300 people who wear Burquas, which is a hell of a lot from a population of a paltry 65 million .
    If I recall correctly from one of the many Netherlandistan topics about the new Fundamentalist Islamist State of Holland they have about 50 people who wear them.

    It really is a big issue isn't it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    Ah the real world .
    So say France where this story is from, it has the staggering amount of about 300 people who wear Burquas, which is a hell of a lot from a population of a paltry 65 million .
    If I recall correctly from one of the many Netherlandistan topics about the new Fundamentalist Islamist State of Holland they have about 50 people who wear them.

    It really is a big issue isn't it
    When you look at it that way: no, it's a non-issue, like most symbolic issues.

    The importance lies in the symbolic value
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andres View Post
    An employer won't hire you if you constantly want to wear a burqua.

    So, by insisting to constantly be allowed to wear the burqua, you exclude yourself from many job opportunities. Which also addresses HoreTore's point about being able to get an income.
    Surprise, surprise:

    A lot of employers will hire you, burka or not.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Well, an example would be to service other blue sacks in a blue sack neighborhood. In that case it would totally make sense to hire a blue sack for the job.
    Doing what. Put it at the garbage with the rest of the trash who can see the difference anyway, it's blue, no eyes, a sack, swoosh bye. I can't believe how you guys are trying to wrap a civilized society around this just to make extreme backwardness more pleasing to the eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Doing what. Put it at the garbage with the rest of the trash who can see the difference anyway, it's blue, no eyes, a sack, swoosh bye. I can't believe how you guys are trying to wrap a civilized society around this just to make extreme backwardness more pleasing to the eye.
    Oh, I'm not making any excuses for wearing a blue sack. From the purely business perspective though, the blue sacks' cash is the same color as yours. Thus, if buying stuff from a store staffed with their fellow blue sacks will cause them to spend more, it only makes sense to staff the store accordingly. *shrug* business is color blind and deity-neutral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    business is color blind and deity-neutral.
    Yeah sure how much use do you have for this,



    No place for her chez Fragony's, I don't want a pityfull creature like that around me they aren't human to me. They have done a great job I have zero pity zero compassion for her dead or alive I don't care because it was never alive anyway. But then again could have been Nada, if she is no thanks to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Yeah sure how much use do you have for this,



    No place for her chez Fragony's, I don't want a pityfull creature like that around me they aren't human to me. They have done a great job I have zero pity zero compassion for her dead or alive I don't care because it was never alive anyway. But then again could have been Nada, if she is no thanks to you.
    Look, nobody is obligating you to hire her. That doesn't mean however that there are no job opportunities for people like her. If some gothapotamus with a bunch of nose rings and tattooed from head to toe can find some sort of employment, then the blue sack is not worse off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    *shrug* business is color blind and deity-neutral.
    rubbish, business is whoring yourself out in the most attractive way possible, turning up to a sales meeting looking like an outcast from scooby-doo will win you no orders unless you have something pretty damned special.

    hard to build a personal relationship from behind a barrier.
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