Carthage in 3D!

[Jebivjetar]

Well, i've found this just now and i wish to share it with you, members of the org.

Here's the link:

http://www.christovfx.com/carthage_in_3d_1.html

[Skullheadhq]

How did they reconstruct is, since Carthago was burned to the ground?
It looks nice.

[Jebivjetar]

Mix of imagination and some ruins, i guess. Original Carthaginian port is visible even today, together with that little "island" in the middle. Some Punic (not Roman) ruins are black even today because of fire...

Yes, it's beautiful... 2 pictures only, but enough for people with imagination... When i look at them, i have a feeling like i'm there, in the past... i hear waves and sea-gulls in the air....

[spiritusdilutus]

Wow! Amazing reconstruction, true eye-candy. I wouldnt say it`s pure imagination and ruins, there must have been some accounts left behind on the appearance of the port. Ruins can also sometimes provide a nice outline or give an idea of what portion of territory it could have encompassed. Its true what Jebivjetar is saying about the original layout of the port being visible still today. It sure took much land clearing to secure the lot for Mediterranean`s finest port establishment.

[Whatever Scortamareva]

Awesome reconstruction, just a shame its so short. I went to tunisia a while back with my parents, before I was in to ancient history, and we had to decide whether to go on a camel ride in the desert or visit Carthage..


..we chose the camels

[Jebivjetar]

..we chose the camels

Due to my aviophobia i will never be in situation to see even camels... but i'm ready to kill just to get there

Its true what Jebivjetar is saying about the original layout of the port being visible still today. It sure took much land clearing to secure the lot for Mediterranean`s finest port establishment.

Yeah, that port is considered as one of the wonders of the ancient world. True pearl i would say...


LAst but not least:
This is a picture showing original Punic ruins i was talking about :


And here is some other original (not Roman) stuff:


AFAIK it's a symbol of goddess Tanit


I have 2 replicas of these

[Andros Antonius]

that's pretty tight, wish there was more though. it would be awesome to be there in its prime. i heard that whole area still has problems because of all the salt the romans spread on it after they destroyed it

and by aviophobia, you mean afraid to fly lol?

[DionCaesar]

Is it true that Carthage was bigger than Rome? (inhabitants - wise)

And if that is the case, was this port in the city, or like for example Ostia, a few kilometres outside it?

It's really a beautiful movie.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Is it true that Carthage was bigger than Rome? (inhabitants - wise)

Back in the pre-raze times, in the height of its empire, Carthage was larger in terms of population than the Republican Roma (founding-146BCE). But in the Imperial times, Rome's population increased to over one million. When the two coexisted Carthage had more people, but generally speaking, Rome had more inhabitants at its height.

[Jebivjetar]

Is it true that Carthage was bigger than Rome? (inhabitants - wise)

AFAIK yes, it was: right now i'm reading some historic book/chapter dedicated to Carthage. There is said that only Alexandreia had more or approx the same number of inhabitants as Punic (not Roman)Carthage.

that's pretty tight, wish there was more though. it would be awesome to be there in its prime. i heard that whole area still has problems because of all the salt the romans spread on it after they destroyed it

and by aviophobia, you mean afraid to fly lol?

Yeah, i feel like i would go CRAZY in airplane... Never tried to fly though, but i derive that conclusion from the fact that i'm afraid of heights in RL.

And about "salt issue": i'm not 100% sure about that stories: somewhere i've read that this thing about salt is pompous myth and... BLAH i shuld stop now because i can't express myself in english well

[seienchin]

Back in the pre-raze times, in the height of its empire, Carthage was larger in terms of population than the Republican Roma (founding-146BCE). But in the Imperial times, Rome's population increased to over one million. When the two coexisted Carthage had more people, but generally speaking, Rome had more inhabitants at its height.

If you would have a source it would be nice.

[moonburn]

one estimate during the time of hannibal barca carthage was suposed to have around 600k inhabitants but 80% of those "where foreigners" as in not carthaginians/phonicians
if we consider this estimate accurate then carthage had around 120k poeni and libi poeni to recruit from (?)

i can´t remember the source but it was something out of discovery chanell about the birreme where they where making genetic research to prove that the carthaginians where in fact poeni while accompaning the story of a lebanese fisherman building a bireme in the ancient poeni style wich proved that 20% of the population of tunisia can have their blood dated back to the carthaginians

(as i said it´s out of a documentary so bad criticism please direct it at whoever made the documentary)

so yes carthage was probably even bigger then alexandria or seleukeia or babylon and most likely rome at the start of the 2nd century bc if it really had the 600k population

(actually another good documentary is engenering an empire made by the history chanel where they talk about the port and the 6 store high buildings of the carthaginians and the triple wall)

[tls5669]

The Carthaginians were the first to create apartments. I'm really surprised that the Romans didn't copy that aspect of Carthaginian culture, the way that Rome had gotten so overcrowded later on in history.

[moonburn]

rome had the 1st shoping mall copyed from those designs

the ground level was for food and one of the upper one´s was for cloths so they did copyed it

as for who made them for the 1st time i don´t think there´s evidence for who originally made it but there´s story´s os siege´s in sicily against poeni setlements where the greeks had to use siege towers and fight in the roofs of such "appartments" and those stories date back to the 5th or 6th century bc

we think the old where all savages but there´s more to the human ingenuity then we give it credit for (actually a baby from 100k years ago if transported to our time would fair just as well as any other child the problem is that they had no instituted education (or we assume they didn´t))

[Andros Antonius]

rome had the 1st shoping mall copyed from those designs

the ground level was for food and one of the upper one´s was for cloths so they did copyed it

as for who made them for the 1st time i don´t think there´s evidence for who originally made it but there´s story´s os siege´s in sicily against poeni setlements where the greeks had to use siege towers and fight in the roofs of such "appartments" and those stories date back to the 5th or 6th century bc

we think the old where all savages but there´s more to the human ingenuity then we give it credit for (actually a baby from 100k years ago if transported to our time would fair just as well as any other child the problem is that they had no instituted education (or we assume they didn´t))

Wow, that's cool about the shopping mall and apartment ideas. Didn't know that. Didn't Carthage also invent glass too?

And I agree about our modern perception of the ancients' intelligence. They were just as accomplished and in some ways more innovative than modern engineers. There's some things they did that we can't figure out how they did even today and can't be replicated exactly.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Thanks for this Jeb!

Also in an airplane, I suggest you just sit in the middle, then you dont have to view out of the window.

Don't let something that little block you from seeing such marvels.

~Fluvius

[glouch]

MAN those 3D models look good. does anyone here know by any chance what program was used to create them?

[Owen Glyndwr]

Very very cool stuff! The Port of Cathage looks absolutely stunning, I wish I could've seen it back in the day when it was in full operation

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

That's nice stuff, my fellow R... ;)

I know it's incredibly hard to bring something from a photo or a plan into a 3D model, let alone to recreate something like an ancient city just from the scarce material you have!

Yeah, i feel like i would go CRAZY in airplane... Never tried to fly though, but i derive that conclusion from the fact that i'm afraid of heights in RL.

You never tried but restrict yourself from visiting Carthage because of having "aviophobia"?

OK I flew some ~70 times now and I can tell you, it has nothing to do with height! Not even if you sit at the window (which I dearly recommend). Also, it's everytime great for me. I'm not sure why, but it thrills me in a very positive way. It's fun! And don't be afraid, all these noises and forces and the rattling of the cabin interior are just great.