Final Comment

[FearofNC]

The following is a statement from Warman.
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To the fellow .Org patrons I known for many months and years,


These are the final statements I will make on the issues involving others and me. My thoughts are not necessarily those of other persons, only my own. I look at every possible fact. Please agree or disagree if you desire, but please keep it civil!


Unlike the case of Erado San’s Final comments during Tera-Gate, I really can’t make any special rules here. Just please stay civil and don’t try to bash me immaturely. If you have something to say, say it, but do it civilly or don’t say it at all.


The goal of what I am doing is so I can put this to rest once and for all. I want to defend myself in 1 and only 1 post, so people can know the truth, or at least my side of the story.

First, I will comment on the controversy of the hacking accusations, and myself then I will comment on the behavior of myself and others, then finally I will discuss my final thoughts on this and where I think this forum should go from this point.


Lets Begin, shall we?




Statement on the controversy involving the hacking accusations and myself:


As you may know, I have been banned in April 2009. I was “temporary” banned due to my rough feud with Tribesmen. I reportedly made comments on the lines of “up yours” on Megas Methulash’s account. A month prior, I was given 2 warning points for harassing a suicidal boy on the forum (which I keep his name private for respect sake) by Lemur. A combination of feuds, accidental jokes on public profiles and tensions boiled down to this. Tosa did not mean for me to get banned, or if he did, only did it for a 3-day “cool down” period. Then I get slap with an hacking charge, which destroys my chances of coming back until at least 2010.

Many people condemned me for what I am and what I have done with the recent actions. A few people have spoken out on my defense, in public and private. The ones in private I will keep quiet unless they come forward on their own peril because they are respected members of this forum. Some people think Tosa and his staff did way to much against me.

The evidence, I will admit, might be much and against me. The IP address, the comments, the closed door comments, the public posts and profile stuff, private PM’s between me, the sudical boy and so on. However, most of this can be debatable, just like the evidence in Tera-Gate. I will go into each one, step by step.

Lets start from the beginning of what I mention. I always had an beef with Tosa since Mid 2008. We rival until the Summer came, and the hacking charge came forward. Let me clear this up. I NEVER hacked his account. There was an attempt. While I won’t admit to anything directly, an “take down” of the forum, shutting down of the forum,etc…., was never part of the deal .The deal was to find posts in private forums to prove Tosa was setting people up. I don’t know how to hack, never did, and never will. I have had contact with hackers years ago, but I won’t disclose their names. Also, I contacted them then for helping me improve the security of my PC.


On the issue of the March 09 incident, I never intended to harm the suicidal boy. I was trying to help him. While I found it “cool” that if he did kill himself, we be mention in the news of some sorts. However, I never wanted him to do it. I tried to talk him out of it. Lemur thought I went to far. So I was given 2 warning points. Lemur tried to play hardball with me, and I lost, according to him. But I was helping him. It was never my intention to harm him, as Lemur will put it.

I and Megas got into an little rivalry over some clan talk. Megas has been caught cheating on ETW MP after my banning which I found amazing. But anyhow, he and I went at it in an jokely way. Tosa banned for me for saying “Up yours!” with the Admin response of “you posted this”. I saved the PM. He used this as an excuse to ban me, but then quickly changed his story to say I was banned to cool down from Tribesmen and his crony Glenn. If I can not joke on this forum, then this forum administration then in useless then in my opinion.

I never intended for these things to go down as they did. It is just an big boling pot. Think of right before the start of World War 1, then tensions. The angry I still felt over being past over for an promotion and Barocca’s removal was still there, and Tosa, you know you are to blame as much as I am.

I am admitting I did things that were wrong. I blew “second” chances left and right. But I did not do these things out of immaturely, the majority of them. I did them out of the rightful things to do. I didn’t go hacking his account, I did not go spewing that I wanted someone to die from cancer like an certain popular .Org member said once. I may have acted immature this year, but rarely. The Staff also acted immaturely, but sense they have powers we don’t, they can cover them up easily.




Statement on my behavior and others


I have acted immaturely in the past 1 ½ years I admit. But others were to. I name an few in no particular order:


Me
TosaInu
Tribesmen
Glenn
Sasaki Kojiro
Tomisama
Kagemusha


And many others on this issue. For one, the way I acted in certain cases could have been handled better. But Magyar Khan once said something like “When an man is slap so many times, it only an matter of time before he strikes back”. It is true. I was slap by certain people so much that I had to swing back. Even if I acted out of hand in doing it.

TosaInu could have told me this was an temp ban so maybe, we could have spoken in private and not let this go into public threads.

Sasaki Kojiro behavior is sicken. He just made an mockery out of me. I understand his anger, but still. I was surprise you are not still Moderator, Sasaki. When will you return?

Kagemusha- He destroyed my rep over at TWC because I was hosting similar game that he was. Then, he admitted in PM I can still do it because he was wrong to bothering me. Really? Why bother me in the first place then?



The rest I do not need to explain for, the facts are in the threads. I myself admit the behaviors were out of hand. From when I wanted promoted to Moderator, to Barocca’s banning, until now, we all could have done better.





My final thoughts and where we should go on this.


My final thoughts? Where should we go on this? I believe I am at partial blame for this mess. However, people need to understand, Tosa is an good person, but so am I. He made mistakes (e.g. Tera/Tosa Gate). So did I. But he is forgiven and is well-like with .org community.


I helped the .Org community, and I have many people, Junior members, members, and senior members who will testify to my record, including the infamous Magyar Khan, who I had the pleasure of not only talking to, but playing with on VI in September of 2006. I think this is an whole mess. I think Tosa should have not banned me. I think I should have been promoted, and Barocca should have remain Moderator. Many others things could have happened to prevent this. If Tribesmen didn’t do this, or if FearofNC and myself never met, or if I refrain from bashing Tribesman,etc…




On the subject of my beloved I believe the Multiplayer forums of .Org are dead. No one takes care of them.I could have. Me, Tomisama,NC, and others could have work together. But Tosa must have saw me as an threat, because I was more liberal when it came down to fixing the forums.


I believe the following must happen to fix this:

1. Reinstate me to .Org
2. Reinstate Barocca to his prior postion
3. Put Me and Tribesmen back on ignore list
4. Both parties should "make up" including the Staff, who should admit they were wrong in banning me.
5.We should put this behind us once and for all




I believe this affects both me and the forum in an wrong manner. But it is an game. My format of this is similiar to Erado San's Final Statement after Tera-Gate (which you can find in Page 39 of Watchtower).


I respect a lot of the people on the Staff. A lot of them I personally have no beef with. I only have an problem with Tosa and some of his lacky Moderators who should be removed for good. I like to thank the good Moderators, members and people like FearofNC and Magyar Khan for treating me with respect.




Happy headhunting,
Glory and Honour
AntiWarmanCake
Sith and Fearfulways Members

[FearofNC]

While I do not agree with warman about everything, I do believe in his right to post a well worded defense. Before you flame or make remarks consistent with a 4 year old please remember that there are still some serious points that he raises.

First-
Tosa has always been and always will be a dictator. He runs the .org with an iron fist. He answers to no one and he has shown time and time again he is willing to put his .org before the good of the community. His intentions might have been good but the results are obvious. People prefer an open style of leadership as TotalWars.net and TWCenter.net have proven. The developers have followed the community to where it goes, regardless of how strict that forum is about ca comments.

Second-
Kage, you are my old friend and it saddens me to what you did to Warman. He has had his rank stripped from him at TWC for plagiarism. While I admit I dont know the full extent of the story, I never knew you to be the type of person to seek revenge. People post at TWC because of the way its run. Wanting to port your good idea to a place thats popular is not disrespectful. Instead of working together to create a better community you have harmed it.

Third-
No proof was ever offered concerning hacking. Warman is not a computer guru, I have often had to help him with very simple tasks. Writing "sheeplover" into Tosa's login with the knowledge that it would generate a report is hardly hacking, its a personal insult. Just another example of why dictatorships are bad.


I dont think you should reinstate Warman, you will never forgive him for the lies you all have convinced yourselves he did. The only purpose in letting him back to the .org would be to make fun and abuse him. I posted a long time ago that I would never post at the .org again, and for the most part I dont. A word here a word there, its like walking on eggshells. Im now a local moderator at TWC and im hosting tournaments, campaigns, making maps, enriching the community with knowledge, supporting multiplayer issues, and working on patch balance. Something I was forbidden to do here because of Tosa. Now ask yourselves. Is the org better off today than it was 5 years ago? Are you happy with things the way they are? Or do you wish that you were a part of a gigantic thriving community lead by votes and reason.

Warman isnt crazy, all of you are for being die hard .org supporters. You should listen to him and read the history of the gates and see for yourselves how this place is run.

[Kagemusha]

For my part i can answer to the accusations of Warman right here in public.

So im accused of ruining your reputation in TWC? I dont know what to say about this statement. When you contacted me about that you had idea of releasong a interactive history with similar setting then mine i had no problem with it. You asked that would i help you with it. My answer was no, as many have witnessed hosting a such game can be draining and take lots of time like my does to me here in Org. So i had no time to help you.

So when i saw your game in TWC i went over to see and surprise surprise. It was not a game of similar setting then mine, but it was my Sengoku Jidai interactive history, only difference being that it was you who claimed to be the creator.
I contacted you first and demanded that you should atleast come up with a different name for it and try to create even something unique aspects to your game. That request was met with few changes that were cosmetic. So i contacted TWC staff and told them to compare the two games. Their conclusion was same as mine. The game was plagiarism, nothing less nothing more. You can ask from TWC staff did i do anything else to put your name to mud, because i didnt.

Warman what ever was caused to you during that time was result of your own actions. Blaming others for your own actions is hardly a way to redeem yourself in the eys of others.

And FearofNC. I respect you, but as you must remember from last fall during certain private conversations. The picture Warman is trying to paint being a victim of evil old me is pretty far from the truth. It was not that he plagiarized me but demanded respect for him from me for doing so and anyone who knows me, should not expect to slap me to the face and then expect for me to smile and do nothing about it.