Possibly the most pathetic display of racism ever.

[HoreTore]

Haven't seen a topic here about the gang war in Copenhagen, so i thought I'd start one...

For those who don't know about it, the situation is basically as follows:

A few years ago, Hells Angels and the other dominant gang(can't remember who, Bandidos perhaps?) in Copenhagen fought for control over the city. Hells Angels won, but the war bled them dry, as a lot of them ended up serving long prison sentences. This lead to a power vacuum, which a relatively small immigrant gang, mostly confined to one part of the city, saw as a chance to grow and dominate the city. As was said, was done. The immigrant gang took over more and more of Hells Angels' criminal activity, until finally, it all exploded in a full war this winter.

Now the fun stuff begins. You see, Hells Angels actually have a lot of support from the danish population. The reason? They're fighting mulims. You see, in the minds of some nutjobs, Hells Angels are the heroic defenders of the white Dane against the muslim hordes trying to overrun the country....

So what are the Hells Angels up to then, what are the activities they're protecting? Well, it includes the following at least...

- Drugs. Importing, dealing, etc.
- Human trafficking, for prostitution.
- Extortion.
- Torpedo activities.
- Robbery.
- Smuggling.
- Petty theft.

And let's not forget that their Norwegian chapter is responsible for the only terrorist attack on Norway ever...

Honestly, who in their right mind is capable of supporting such a group? How is it possible to say "yeah, that group of violent criminals is better than that other group of violent criminals"? I mean, the emergent gang is trying to take over Hells Angels domains, ie. they plan to be doing exactly the same as what the white danes in Hells Angels have been doing for decades...

[Fragony]

I guess they have that rock&roll renegade born to be wild image going for them. White trash fighting muslim trash, fine with me provided keep killing eachother.

[HoreTore]

I guess they have that rock&roll renegade born to be wild image going for them.

If we're talking about 14-year old giggling schoolgirls*, fine, I'll accept that excuse. As for everyone else..... No.




*that includes my ex.... even though she was born 23 years ago.

[InsaneApache]

To ask the question means you've obviously not seen easy rider.

[Fragony]

@Horetore

Well people are idiots, myself included. I'd pick the Hell's Angel's over muslim gangs, it's scum but it's our scum, as we already have scum we don't need more scum. In the end the muslims are guests and should behave like guests.

[Samurai Waki]

Lived in So. Cal. long enough to know, that any, and all gangs are bad news (and bad for business... but great for us lawyer types!) it didn't really matter what race or nationality they were, some were local, others imported, but they make life hell for everyone.

Anyhow, Hells Angels aren't Danish, they're an extension of a similarly named group of neanderthals who once roamed the US and Canada in vast swathes, but ultimately, whether it be through leaders getting jailed, or some of them just getting bored with it, became something of a ghost. I'm not sure why the Hells Angels have continued to persist for so long in Europe, but turf wars are gonna happen, its almost unavoidable, nature of the beast, if they've consolidated their gains, and wiped out everyone else, some guys are going to have the great idea that they don't like the current leadership and are going to splinter, and you have the same situation all over again.

[Fragony]

I'm not sure why the Hells Angels have continued to persist for so long in Europe.

Most people see them as a club of Harley Davidson enthousiasts, and for the most part that is true, it's hard to fight them. In Denmark we see their true nature.

[Husar]

@Horetore

Well people are idiots, myself included. I'd pick the Hell's Angel's over muslim gangs, it's scum but it's our scum, as we already have scum we don't need more scum. In the end the muslims are guests and should behave like guests.

And we have guests over and should behave accordingly.
You see in arabian and other countries it often is "Would you like some tea? We don't have much but you can have what you want! Here, take some of that food..."
In the western world it often is "GTFO my lawn!"

[Fragony]

And we have guests over and should behave accordingly.

Of course. But immigrant crime pisses me of more than native crime, they have been welcomed in our society's it's abusing our hospitality. So if an immigrant shoots a Hells Angel it's 'good riddance', and if an Hell's Angel kills a criminal immigrant it's 'hehe good riddance'. That's a double standard, but that is how it is.

[Beirut]

Here in Quebec they are the scourge of God. At least they were. We had a big police operation a few months back that hit them really hard, and their Boss of Bosses was sent to jail for a long time a few years back. But before that they pretty much ran the province and did as they pleased and they were hyper-violent. And a lot of people thought it was just fine.

But then they set off a car bomb in a residential district - an attempted hit -and it killed an 11 year-old boy and everything changed. They didn't care that they killed the kid, but the public was seriously peeved and not long after the cops started smacking them down. Now their bunkers are seized and bulldozed and there are ongoing mass arrests.

Personally, if I was in charge, I'd disappear these *******. There's no reason we have to tolerate them.

[Crazed Rabbit]

A couple years back, the police in my home county did a big raid on the Banditos around here. There hadn't been a lot of violence, just accusations of smuggling and the like. The leader of the group was only made to promise not to enter the county any more at the end of it so it seems they didn't have much.

But before that, in my hometown, I saw a poster urging donations to their legal defense fund in a restaurant (not a bar).

As for the preference of one gang over the other, it might be just "better the devil we know" than racism for some (not all) people.

CR

[rvg]

So....basically a group of criminals is beating on another group of criminals. The bystanders support criminals of their color. I don't see a problem here, it's just human nature.

[Kadagar_AV]

Hells Angels have moral codes not shared by muslim gangs.

I've ran into HA on a few occasions, they always treated me with respect and I have had no problem drinking some beer with them.

The muslim gangmembers I've met though... Don't even get me started.

I think it makes perfect sence that people support HA in this case.

[HoreTore]

Hells Angels have moral codes not shared by muslim gangs.

Oh come on. Either you're on a trip here, or the Hells Angels you've got over there are saints compared to the ones we have here. They certainly have absolutely no respect for "civilians".

And every gang or criminal has their own moral codes. That's a universal thing, part of the whole "gang experience". It differs from gang to gang, yes. But the gentleman ganger is a complete myth. They're all complete scumbags.

So....basically a group of criminals is beating on another group of criminals. The bystanders support criminals of their color. I don't see a problem here, it's just human nature.

So it's human nature to support murderers, rapist and human traffickers?

[rvg]

So it's human nature to support murderers, rapist and human traffickers?

Oh, get off your high horse already. It's human nature when confronted by two evils to pick the lesser one. Hell's Angels are the devil they know, while the muslim gang is the devil they don't know. That's all there's to it.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Oh, get off your high horse already. It's human nature when confronted by two evils to pick the lesser one. Hell's Angels are the devil they know, while the muslim gang is the devil they don't know. That's all there's to it.

Bingo, I'm much more confident about judging when an Englishman will nutt or knife me, with an Arabian I have no idea. Also, even the hardest gangs have men with families. The more local ties the mob has, the better off you are. Foriegn mob doesn't care at all.

[econ21]

It's human nature when confronted by two evils to pick the lesser one.

I think HoreTore's point is that you don't have to pick - you can, like most public figures would, condemn both kinds of law-breakers. That otherwise decent people identify with one set of villains is, I would agree with the OP, pathetic even if it is "human nature". Pathos and the human condition are scarcely strangers.

I suspect it relates to:

The more local ties the mob has, the better off you are.

Race aside, there can be a surprising amount of support for local mobsters - I am thinking, for example, of some East End villains in London who were held up as local heroes in some pubs etc. I've never really understood it, as the celebrity criminals are invariably rather stupid and dangerous predators. I guess they prey only on a relatively few unfortunates, so the rest can indulge in fantasies about them as heroes without too much risk of being proved wrong.

I was wondering whether people rather side with criminals of the same colour because, if anyone is going to be racist, it is likely to be criminals and hence you are safer with your "own". That might be true if you accidentally stray into the wrong neighbourhood - even a racially blind mugger tends to target the confused newcomer. But because people tend to stay among their own, I am pretty sure criminals tend to prey more on their own communities (black on black crime in the US etc).

[Fragony]

Hells Angels have moral codes not shared by muslim gangs.

I really don't care for the moral codes of the likes of the Hell's Angels, they are the scum of the earth. They can keep their beer, they might not hate me but I don't like them.

[HoreTore]

I think HoreTore's point is that you don't have to pick - you can, like most public figures would, condemn both kinds of law-breakers. That otherwise decent people identify with one set of villains is, I would agree with the OP, pathetic even if it is "human nature". Pathos and the human condition are scarcely strangers.

[lars573]

Anyhow, Hells Angels aren't Danish, they're an extension of a similarly named group of neanderthals who once roamed the US and Canada in vast swathes, but ultimately, whether it be through leaders getting jailed, or some of them just getting bored with it, became something of a ghost. I'm not sure why the Hells Angels have continued to persist for so long in Europe, but turf wars are gonna happen, its almost unavoidable, nature of the beast, if they've consolidated their gains, and wiped out everyone else, some guys are going to have the great idea that they don't like the current leadership and are going to splinter, and you have the same situation all over again.

Actually in Canada the Hells Angels were the only coast to coast criminal organization. Biker gangs ARE organized crime here.

[Mooks]

Actually in Canada the Hells Angels were the only coast to coast criminal organization. Biker gangs ARE organized crime here.

Ya, the hells angels havent dissapeared, in the states there are still loads of HA.

[Samurai Waki]

Yeah, but the Hells Angels in the US have been effectively neutered, since the Early '90s when The States they would pass through, started throwing every cop that could muster at them. Sorta put a damper on their recruitment, and trouble making.

[Beirut]

Actually in Canada the Hells Angels were the only coast to coast criminal organization. Biker gangs ARE organized crime here.

I read that there were only 200 full patch Hells Angels in Canada. The problem is they have thousands of groupies and wanabes and hangers on doing their dirty work.

[lars573]

Mafia, triades, Yakuza work the same way. Only a few full members and hordes of wannabes. There is a true crime series that History Television runs to meet their cancon about Hells Angels. Showed the locations of every chapter in every province once. There was at one point around 1998 that there was a Hells Angels branch in every major city from Halifax to Vancover.

[CBR]

Of course the real story, that even some politicians have realized, is that ever since the police cracked down on the big hash trade in Christiania the violence has escalated...

It is not even worth big headlines anymore when someone gets shot. But maybe it will start a proper debate about the whole idea of illegal hash. When even rightwing politicians start talking about a model similar to the Netherlands something is up.


CBR

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Is it too much to hope that this gangwar will result in a "dead tie?"

"Our nativist scum are better than you interloper scum" was tried in the 5 points awhile back. The answer is they're all a waste.

[LittleGrizzly]

Whichever one brings in the best weed have my support...

Actually scrap that they both bring weed in (I assume) so they both have my support, anyone not involved in either bringing in the drugs or selling them inside those gangs are scum...

The drug guys are scum as well but scum providing a useful service for those who like to enjoy themselves without turning into an incoherent violent idiot (alcohol)

But supporting one group of criminals over another becuase they share your skin colour is at best silly at worst racism... when they stab me i will bleed all the same...

[Kralizec]

I think it's probably because many people have romantic notions about Hells Angels, while having the right idea about the foreign gangs. I wouldn't call that racism or xenophobia, just ignorance.

[HoreTore]

Bingo, I'm much more confident about judging when an Englishman will nutt or knife me, with an Arabian I have no idea. Also, even the hardest gangs have men with families. The more local ties the mob has, the better off you are. Foriegn mob doesn't care at all.

You're confusing "foreign gang" and "immigrant gang". The immigrant gang in question here are just as local as any other danish gang.

[rvg]

You're confusing "foreign gang" and "immigrant gang". The immigrant gang in question here are just as local as any other danish gang.

How "danish" are these guys culturally? Are there any Danes in the house who can answer this?