Why are the Ptolemaioi such a hated faction?

**Ludens** · 08-24-2009, 19:18

I've just removed most of the gay references. Please drop the subject and go back to discussing the vices of the Ptolemeans.

Originally Posted by satalexton

come to think of it why don't we just modify the script to give the AS a special 'anti yellow-plague' financial boost?

Unfortunately, that way you end up with the Grey death. The two should be closely matched, but balancing them is hard since you need to play dozens of campaigns to see if one consistently beats the other.

Originally Posted by Knight of Heaven

Yes or other option will be a kingdom of Judia? No?

Which will be quickly swallowed by either. Not to mention that it is extremely ahistorical, as Judea was at this point firmly under Ptolemean control, and even when independent wasn't remotely capable of expansionist action.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Iudaios? What's that?

Judea, one of the tribes of Israel.

**Centurio Nixalsverdrus** · 08-24-2009, 19:42

Just to be fair: pre EB 1.0, the Yellow Death played no role at all, everybody was afraid of the Grey Death instead.

And I must add that EB 1.2 is the best balanced EB of all times.

Sweboz east expansion, Roman north expansion, Karthadast sand wars, KH eating up father Makedonia, Baktria overrunning the steppe - all this has been successfully adressed. What remains is just the Yellow / Grey balance and Hayasdans conquering the Sarmatians.

**Apázlinemjó** · 08-24-2009, 19:52

Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus

Just to be fair: pre EB 1.0, the Yellow Death played no role at all, everybody was afraid of the Grey Death instead.

And I must add that EB 1.2 is the best balanced EB of all times.

Sweboz east expansion, Roman north expansion, Karthadast sand wars, KH eating up father Makedonia, Baktria overrunning the steppe - all this has been successfully adressed. What remains is just the Yellow / Grey balance and Hayasdans conquering the Sarmatians.

Yeah, Hayasdan AI likes to "roleplay" steppe factions instead of going south.

**Marcus Ulpius** · 08-24-2009, 20:24

No reason to hate Ptolemaoi now. In 1.2 the AS usually beats them and destroys everything in Asia except may be some Saka or Bactria cities on the far east.

P.S. As was rightly mentioned, Hayasdan are always chasing ghosts in the steppes instead of making things more interesting for the AS and friends.

**GenosseGeneral** · 08-24-2009, 21:09

i like them and play them. i mean which successor has not elite (son not that expensive) heavy sword infantry???
only annoying thing are their "special" units such as machimoi or the klerouchon agema who have a small AoR.

BTW: why cant i recruit hetairoi in antiocheia?
EDIT:according to recruitment viewer i should be able to

EDIT2: thx, i now found out that i just had luck and conquered seleukeia with an lvl5MIC, so thats why i can recruit those guys there.

**Centurio Nixalsverdrus** · 08-24-2009, 21:26

Originally Posted by GenosseGeneral

i like them and play them. i mean which successor has not elite (son not that expensive) heavy sword infantry???
only annoying thing are their "special" units such as machimoi or the klerouchon agema who have a small AoR.

BTW: why cant i recruit hetairoi in antiocheia?
EDIT:according to recruitment viewer i should be able to

Hetairoi need a lvl5 factional MIC, but you can only build it with a lvl1 gov.