Hidden units: Invisible to AI too?

[Slaists]

again, I'll have to run some tests to test this. will be harder though.

Hide the units in a nonsensical spot far away from your main line. If I do that (for example, to hide cavalry that's supposed to rush towards the AI artillery behind its lines) then VERY RARELY the AI runs into them. Of course, you might encounter the odd case when the AI does the wide sweeping cavalry 'along the map's edges' maneuver to charge your rear, and, as a result, runs into the forces you have hidden.

[Prussian to the Iron]

I'll try that, and every time I'll ever so slightly move the hiding units a bit more to the center to see if the enemy will attack them.

of course, they could just be attacking hidden units and making it look like they are makig a logical decision...

[antisocialmunky]

The only successful battlefield ambush I ever mananged was in STW with 2 Yari Cav hidden in the woods flanking the whole enemy army :) Felt so good about that.

[Sebastian Seth]

This hapened in M2TW: I was defender in siege and spain was attacker. I runned with two hashasims right out of the front gate and whent to two little bushes where I got the hiding mark. The AI played normal and send the siege ram and ladders forward full speed. I took them both out with hashasims and then the spanish charged my hashasims to oblivion.

But AI didnt react to them when they where hidden.

[Prussian to the Iron]

This hapened in M2TW: I was defender in siege and spain was attacker. I runned with two hashasims right out of the front gate and whent to two little bushes where I got the hiding mark. The AI played normal and send the siege ram and ladders forward full speed. I took them both out with hashasims and then the spanish charged my hashasims to oblivion.

But AI didnt react to them when they where hidden.

I think that is more because the A.I. was more focused on taking the city then it was on fighting your hashashim. This sometimes happens, even with non-hidden units coming out of a city to attack the enemy; they dont react, then they get destroyed as they climb the ladders/siege towers and get hit from both sides.

[Veho Nex]

Hide the units in a nonsensical spot far away from your main line. If I do that (for example, to hide cavalry that's supposed to rush towards the AI artillery behind its lines) then VERY RARELY the AI runs into them. Of course, you might encounter the odd case when the AI does the wide sweeping cavalry 'along the map's edges' maneuver to charge your rear, and, as a result, runs into the forces you have hidden.

Rare? They seem to do that in every battle unless I keep my arty smack dab in the center with my main force on both sides...

[Didz]

My own experience suggests that they are hidden. However, its worth noting that certain terrain cannot provide enough cover to keep them hidden, and I've certainly been caught out as a result of wandering into an area of 'open ground' and getting spotted. Its not always easy to tell on the TW maps what the terrain graphic's are meant to represent. Crossing a road is certainly guarantee'd to get your men spotted I know that.

[InsaneApache]

Crossing a road is certainly guarantee'd to get your men spotted I know that.

Not all the time. Climbing fences/walls/roads used to show up my long rifle men until I worked out the knack. Face them up square on and they climb/cross/leap across these obsticles without exposing their presence. I'm just about to take Bogota with them and it's only 1800. I love 'em.

[Servius]

There's another potential variable I've noticed in some of your posts. There may be a difference between units that are hidden by your initial placement (before the battle actually starts) and those that move to cover and become hidden after the battle starts.

From all the posts above, I've seen a trend where the AI seems to know exactly where pre-placed "hidden" units are and sends a scout to un-hide them, vs. units that become hidden only after the battle starts, which the AI seems to ignore.

Prussian Iron, if you're running tests, you may also want to include this as a variable you test.

[Prussian to the Iron]

will do!

[A1_Unit]

The AI hasn't found my hidden units yet...