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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan View Post
    Q: Do you think there is any moral obligation, or civic duty to have children?
    Well...

    I'm starting to think there is one. As it is, the norm for educated Frenchmen is to die childless. University educated women will not have children. Half of them none whatsover, the other half overwhelmingly one child, a small minority two.
    No government program manages to remedy that. I do think there is a price to pay for society for this. For three generations now, the brightest 10 to 20 percent genocides itself. This will have an impact.


    I hate to be a social Darwinist, but I just can't help to wonder what it means in the long run for a society if the lowest educated twenty percent have 3,5 children per woman, and the highest twenty have 0,5.

    TinCow and his wife are rather representative of a wider phenomenon. Both are university educated, and their choice is 'one or none at all' children. Can I bring up the Bell Curve in this thread?
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    Some time ago I watched a History channel program where they covered this phenomenon. It's quite normal. In a sense, it's advantageous for this to happen. It facilitates the process of social if not biological evolution.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Well...

    I'm starting to think there is one. As it is, the norm for educated Frenchmen is to die childless. University educated women will not have children. Half of them none whatsover, the other half overwhelmingly one child, a small minority two.
    No government program manages to remedy that. I do think there is a price to pay for society for this. For three generations now, the brightest 10 to 20 percent genocides itself. This will have an impact.


    I hate to be a social Darwinist, but I just can't help to wonder what it means in the long run for a society if the lowest educated twenty percent have 3,5 children per woman, and the highest twenty have 0,5.

    TinCow and his wife are rather representative of a wider phenomenon. Both are university educated, and their choice is 'one or none at all' children. Can I bring up the Bell Curve in this thread?
    The Norm, really? We have the same issue over here, but among my generation, or people slightly older, women have begun to eschew high-flying jobs in favour of having children earlier. I think this has to do with a number of women from the previous generation coming out and saying that "success" made them pretty miserable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    The Norm, really? We have the same issue over here, but among my generation, or people slightly older, women have begun to eschew high-flying jobs in favour of having children earlier. I think this has to do with a number of women from the previous generation coming out and saying that "success" made them pretty miserable.
    French birthrates are actually soaring as of late too. It is not entirely clear what is owing to belated demographical trends (women going for their last chance), a swing back towards having children, succesful government stimuli, or the influence of minority groups.

    We're predicted to take over Germany in population size in the not too distant future. Then we'll invade and they'll be sorry for all of it and
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    French birthrates are actually soaring as of late too. It is not entirely clear what is owing to belated demographical trends (women going for their last chance), a swing back towards having children, succesful government stimuli, or the influence of minority groups.

    We're predicted to take over Germany in population size in the not too distant future. Then we'll invade and they'll be sorry for all of it and
    About 1/3 of births are to first generation immigrants here, even so, I think my generation is generally marrying younger and having more kids. Myself, 2 to 4 would be nice and I'm nearly a Masters Graduate looking towards a Doctorate.
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    You are Christian! You always outbreed us!

    See, that's why atheism can never win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    You are Christian! You always outbreed us!

    See, that's why atheism can never win.
    No that's just Catholics, and they have Monks and Nuns as well. Marrying Jesus greatly reduces the chances of corporeal nooky. He's more of a metaphysical nooky kinda guy.
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    I consider having children a duty to my nation, the human race as a whole, and most importantly, to myself and my family. However, I also see having children as a blessing. I simply cannot fathom why some people see them as a curse. Maybe that's just me, and I certainly mean no offence to anyone, but it strikes me as a little selfish when people won't give up something to have children. Or, perhaps, pity, as they will never know the joy of having a child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    TinCow and his wife are rather representative of a wider phenomenon. Both are university educated, and their choice is 'one or none at all' children. Can I bring up the Bell Curve in this thread?
    Of course you can bring up the Bell Curve since we are talking about ringing Bells after all. 'Ring my bell, ring my bell.'

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    Not impressed by the fact that selfishness seems to be the primary motivation for not having children. I don't care how successful you are in life, your genetic legacy is the only one that endures. No matter how much of a "winner" you are in life you loose it all when you die.
    To be or not to be is not a legacy of a great writer, Laws only exist whilst the maker lives?

    No, we leave more then our genetic legacy there are our memes. Nor do all have to breed for the next generation to exist and excel. Ants far outweigh us as do other limited breeders. Not everyone needs to breed.

    Our moral drive should not be to have a next generation, but to look after it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    For three generations now, the brightest 10 to 20 percent genocides itself. This will have an impact.


    I hate to be a social Darwinist, but I just can't help to wonder what it means in the long run for a society if the lowest educated twenty percent have 3,5 children per woman, and the highest twenty have 0,5.

    TinCow and his wife are rather representative of a wider phenomenon. Both are university educated, and their choice is 'one or none at all' children. Can I bring up the Bell Curve in this thread?
    Did you ever watch Idiocracy*? It takes a humorous approach to the phenomenon. A good movie, btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    Did you ever watch Idiocracy*? It takes a humorous approach to the phenomenon. A good movie, btw.

    *Language warning on the video clip.
    I had never heard of the movie before. I just read up on it on Wiki. It's already the greatest movie I've never seen!

    It hits the mark perfectly. Such a good portrait of my dystopian nightmares! What's funny, is that Fox buried the movie, because of the movie's (accurate, methinks) portrayal of Fox in the dumbing down of America.

    I'm so going to rent it on DVD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFTS
    I have 19 pairs of aunts and uncles, 56 cousins, and 6 (including myself) siblings.

    Yet I don't think I'll ever have children. I can't see myself giving a child what it would need to be succesful. I just can't emotionally attach myself that way.
    Lemme guess: you are easily one of the brightest and highest educated in your family?


    Edit: I thought that its religiosity made America more resitant to the phenomenon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    I had never heard of the movie before. I just read up on it on Wiki. It's already the greatest movie I've never seen!

    So to the point. It perfectly portrays my dystopian nightmares. What's funny, is that Fox buried the movie, because of the movie's (accurate, methinks) portrayal of Fox in the dumbing down of America.

    I'm so going to rent it on DVD.
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    Xiahou beat me to this. That movie is disturbing and hilarious at the same time.



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    The thing about babies is that they don't speak English and can't eat normal food like pizza and french fries and you have to change their diapers twice a week. But once you get past that phase, they can be pretty cool because you can put them to work, like grinding your WOW character for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump View Post
    The thing about babies is that they don't speak English and can't eat normal food like pizza and french fries and you have to change their diapers twice a week. But once you get past that phase, they can be pretty cool because you can put them to work, like grinding your WOW character for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice View Post
    Xiahou beat me to this. That movie is disturbing and hilarious at the same time.
    Vladimir beat you all in post 22.


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    Vladimir beat you all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Lemme guess: you are easily one of the brightest and highest educated in your family?


    Edit: I thought that its religiosity made America more resitant to the phenomenon?

    Yea, I read at like a 5th grade level.

    Louis dont you in ten years time everyone will be Mexican and will all be speaking spainish. All becuase whites don't have babies

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