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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir View Post
    Why is it that whenever I talk about belief you always think I'm talking about God?
    --Paraphrase from Serenity

    You have an obligation to yourself and humanity to reproduce. Even in the absence of a divine creator the failure to reproduce = epic fail. It's like a sad honorable mention at the Darwin awards. It's all down to personal choice (which, in your mind, automatically translates to "free will") we all loose out in the long run.
    God? Who's talking about god?

    And as I said, I certainly do not have an obligation to myself or anyone else to reproduce. The only obligation I have, is to enjoy my life. Period. We're no longer animals, survival isn't something to strive for anymore.

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    Dropping the "baby rate" isn't helping Scandinavia, Europe, or Japan. Look at what societies are doing to counter falling birthrates (or negative growth rates). They're consuming more resources and producing less. Don't do me any favors.
    That's because we're racists and consider the Poles untermenschen. We could solve the problem by simply importing a bunch of them, no need to reproduce ourselves, there are more than enough unemployed people in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir
    No matter how much of a "winner" you are in life you loose it all when you die.
    I suppose, if I should walk the childless path, that I shall feel a sting in my rotting heart some time in 2309 AD when I realize that I have failed my genes.


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    We're no longer animals, survival isn't something to strive for anymore.
    Great. Here I was thinking that I was getting hungry; but thanks to you, I now realize that such primitive instincts are way below me and those of my kind.
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    Great. Here I was thinking that I was getting hungry; but thanks to you, I now realize that such primitive instincts are way below me and those of my kind.
    Survival of the human race is what I was talking about of course, and you knew it
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Survival of the human race is what I was talking about of course, and you knew it
    But we are still no longer animals? Hm...

    Oh well, I shan't digress with semantics. I shall not breed just yet either; despite knowing that tomorrow might be my last day as a psychopath on the run from a failing psychiatry decide to push me into the metro tracks right before the train. The solution to this overwhelming danger, is obviously to donate to a sperm bank; knowing that my genome is safe, and that I won't have to go through the process of bringing up any children myself.
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    But we are still no longer animals? Hm...
    No, we are not. Animals aren't bright enough to care about anything other than survival and reproduction. Humans, on the other hand, are bright enough to enjoy life as it is, without needing to worry about petty things like reproduction, it's both irrelevant and unnecessary for us now, unless that is what we want to make our lives more fulfilling.
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    No, we are not. Animals aren't bright enough to care about anything other than survival and reproduction. Humans, on the other hand, are bright enough to enjoy life as it is, without needing to worry about petty things like reproduction, it's both irrelevant and unnecessary for us now, unless that is what we want to make our lives more fulfilling.
    You might not think of it, but naturally the millions of years of evolution that eventually lead to humanity has made it obsessed by reproduction and survival. What makes a human feel fulfilled is always linked to survival in one way or another; it be a good meal, a nice car or an attractive person of the opposite gender; the goal is to stay alive as well as passing genes on. Whether the latter is achieved or not is irrelevant; it's just what the drive and the instincts tend to end up with no matter what the personal motivation is.
    I doubt having offspring is too much in the mind of animals in the mating season; it's not really like falling in love with another person makes your head go "kids kids kids", either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking
    What makes a human feel fulfilled is always linked to survival in one way or another; it be a good meal, a nice car or an attractive person of the opposite gender [..]
    Or getting stone drunk, or smoking cigarettes, or driving recklessly, or ..

    Nah, humans clearly have a self-destructive streak that is in no way linked to survival. The balance is different in each individual, but it's there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viking
    the goal is to stay alive as well as passing genes on
    Go tell that to homosexuals.

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    By the way, haven't you heard of the theory that genes really use humans to pass themselves on, not the other way around? It's all the rage since 1976 and the publication of The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins.
    Last edited by Adrian II; 09-05-2009 at 01:02.
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