HOI2 and Victoria

**Jolt** · 09-05-2009, 15:14

You can't accept Dutch envoys btw. Not sure if you did that or not.

**seireikhaan** · 09-05-2009, 15:38

Originally Posted by Jolt

You can't accept Dutch envoys btw. Not sure if you did that or not.

Actually, I'm pretty sure you can. I know I did it and ended up with meiji as well.

Not sure if it had anything to do with the fact that I let the country rebel on me, converting Japan into a liberal democracy in the 1850's.

**naut** · 09-05-2009, 16:15

Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan

Actually, I'm pretty sure you can. I know I did it and ended up with meiji as well.

Not sure if it had anything to do with the fact that I let the country rebel on me, converting Japan into a liberal democracy in the 1850's.

Originally Posted by VickyWiki

* Accept the offer to become a Dutch satellite in 1842, get all the free techs, disband all your armies, and set all taxes to 100%. This has the effect of turning your entire country to liberals. Look as the entirety of Japan turns to black, and wait until the revolution fires. Let your populace rebel and overthrow your government, thereby breaking your vassalage. While this will delay 'civilized' status until 1870, as opposed to 1860, you do get a lot of key techs much much much earlier and can use them to build your economy and colonial claims. This ultimately leads to a much stronger Japan by 1880, as opposed to staying isolated until 1860.

Congratulations, you are now a liberal independent (though unciviliced) democrazy. Put taxes low and beat back the reactionary revolts by building new military units super-fast. After that, just put mil spending to high, build the needed 5 mil score worth of native divisions, and wait for your reforms to bring you enough prestige. You'll be civilized in no time, and it's not even 1850... After that, annex korea, and use them as your cannon fodder when taking territory from the chinese.

The downside is you'll have high militancy and that will take some time to get rid of.

The other, other Japanese tactic.

**Alexander the Pretty Good** · 09-05-2009, 17:19

Originally Posted by Jolt

You can't accept Dutch envoys btw. Not sure if you did that or not.

The time I did awesome, I accepted the Dutch envoy and took their tech to become a satellite. The newly technologically-advanced samurai immediately rebelled and turned the monarchy into a constitutional monarchy. So I chugged ahead as an uncivilized but actually growing nation for a bit. Then the meiji event happened - very quickly, and very confusedly. I think I went with the option that makes everyone angry but civilizes Japan. There was another rebellion and we became a monarchy. Then a few days later we somehow reverted to a constitutional monarchy and it was easy (and fun) after that.

**Hooahguy** · 09-07-2009, 05:50

is there a victoria demo? i want to try out both of them before i make a decision.

**CountArach** · 09-07-2009, 09:24

Originally Posted by Hooahguy

is there a victoria demo? i want to try out both of them before i make a decision.

Nope

**Jolt** · 09-07-2009, 19:19

If you never played a Paradox game, I'd hardly recommend you take on Victoria first. If anything EU 2/3 is the best game for you to learn Paradox's game style. Then comes HoI 2 (More complex and complicated) and finally Victoria. At the lack of a demo, I'd point you to this AAR which shows how the game is handled along with plenty of screenshots and gameplay advices.

**Monk** · 09-07-2009, 20:49

Originally Posted by Jolt

If you never played a Paradox game, I'd hardly recommend you take on Victoria first. If anything EU 2/3 is the best game for you to learn Paradox's game style. Then comes HoI 2 (More complex and complicated) and finally Victoria. At the lack of a demo, I'd point you to this AAR which shows how the game is handled along with plenty of screenshots and gameplay advices.

I have to agree, Victoria is definitely the most complex of all the games and shouldn't be taken on first. All of the paradox games take some real effort to learn, but unlike some games they truly reward you for taking the time to learn it with a very fun experience.

It's also important to remember that the AAR Jolt linked is made using VIP (the mod that tries to fix the buggy aspects of Vicky while improving it), but you can still get a great grasp of how to play the game from it.

**Jolt** · 09-07-2009, 21:18

Originally Posted by Monk

I have to agree, Victoria is definitely the most complex of all the games and shouldn't be taken on first. All of the paradox games take some real effort to learn, but unlike some games they truly reward you for taking the time to learn it with a very fun experience.

It's also important to remember that the AAR Jolt linked is made using VIP (the mod that tries to fix the buggy aspects of Vicky while improving it), but you can still get a great grasp of how to play the game from it.

It's VIP:R meaning, the game is Victoria: Revolutions.