Switching to another engine/support

[Bucefalo]

I completely disagree, for me the thing about Total war games are about recreating battles. You can command troops in battles, apply tactics and strategies (ex. ambushing an enemy). EU is a game about managing an empire/nation, but not about commanding battles. That´s the big difference. IMO total war games make the campaign map decent enough, and i always play all battles because that is why i am playing a total war game in the first place.

What i mean is that some people love the politics of the era, but most people who play tw games love the military. They want to command their troops, see them fight and die, and ultimately win. The campaign map is only there to give you a feel of history and not only be random battles with predone armies. So in summary, if you don´t care much about the battles per se, then total war games are not for you, because they are all about commanding virtual small tiny soldiers. A similar thing to historical wargames.

[antisocialmunky]

If you mashed Civ and TW up, that would be the one game to rule them all(4x).

[The General]

If you mashed Civ and TW up, that would be the one game to rule them all(4x).

As I've said before, gief a game with a mash-up of Civ and EU diplomacy, domestic politics and trade, a mixture of strategic gameplay of Civilization and Total War with a tinge of EU, and top of that the glorious battle scenes of Total Wars - with a slower pace and more realistic feel (... yesh, like in EB, duh ;( ) and you should have a pretty good game at your hands.

As it is now, you have to choose between empire building of the Civilization series, empire management of Europa Universalis series and the oh-so-delicious battles of Total War series.

Thankfully, EB makes the battles more realistic and I love history, so it makes the otherwise rather dull R:TW playable - however, the battle AI is what it is, the diplomacy doesn't work, the AI factions cannot manage themselves and are suicidal at best, there's quite a few glitches, et cetera.

Oh well, one can always dream.

[Cyclops]

Yep EU has that brilliant and noob friendly story engine in its events.

If you could strap the excellent looking modded battles from EB onto a modded EU engine with its fabulously story machine, now that would be the one game to rule them all.

I can see the events now.

Rome:

A New Man

{only activates if the Cimbri Raids event occured}

The peril of a massive invasions prompts a thorough reform of the Roman military.

A. Hail Marius! (stab -3, land +2, quality +2, activate Marius leader, enables Demagogue! event)

B. Cautious reforms (stab -1, innovation +1)

C. Same old same old (stab +1, innovation -3)

[Meneldil]

I completely disagree, for me the thing about Total war games are about recreating battles. You can command troops in battles, apply tactics and strategies (ex. ambushing an enemy). EU is a game about managing an empire/nation, but not about commanding battles. That´s the big difference. IMO total war games make the campaign map decent enough, and i always play all battles because that is why i am playing a total war game in the first place.

What i mean is that some people love the politics of the era, but most people who play tw games love the military. They want to command their troops, see them fight and die, and ultimately win. The campaign map is only there to give you a feel of history and not only be random battles with predone armies. So in summary, if you don´t care much about the battles per se, then total war games are not for you, because they are all about commanding virtual small tiny soldiers. A similar thing to historical wargames.

Oh, I loved total war games until RTW and its ridiculously fast-paced battles and mindless AI (which, despite all efforts, have never been completely fixed by any mod I've heard of). I love commanding soldiers and stuff. I also do love to zoom in and out during a battle, to look at all the details of every single unit (this is even more true with M2TW and randomized body parts).

But I'm more attracted by the whole empire building and alternate-history part of the game, and on that departement, EU has much more to offer than TW will ever have (even ETW and all its shiny new features don't even come close), despite the lack of VnVs and other RPG elements.

In any case, I was merely inquiring, dreaming about the pure awesome-sauce an EB for EU3 would be. But yes, EB was first and foremost an attempt to make the game more accurate by getting rid of the vanilla game's silly skins and models. Moving to an engine that doesn't have such skins and models would be far-fetched.