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    http://www.moral-politics.com/

    While the Political Compass stickied is convinient, it also asks a lot of weird questions (Such as if you thought beating up your kids is a good decision). Which doesn't really have much to do with politics, in my opinion.

    I just found this political compass which is, while much more simplified, its questions have more pertinence from a political point of view. After you take the test, besides giving your place in their political compass, it also gives you which system and ideology do you support, and this test got it spot on. It also lists the recent American presidents and recent American presidential candidates that match the most with your position in the political compass. Finally, it compares your score with everybody else who has taken the test, and tells you your position compared to the rest.

    In any case, here are my results:

    JOLT'S SCORE

    Your scored -3 on Moral Order and 2 on Moral Rules.

    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

    1. System: Socialism (Spot on.)
    2. Ideology: Social Democratism (Spot on.)
    3. Party: No match.
    4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
    5. 04' Election: David Cobb
    6. 08' Election: Barack Obama (Spot on.)


    Of the 562,104 respondents (10,069 on Facebook):

    1. 10% are close to you.
    2. 54% are more conservative.
    3. 11% are more liberal.
    4. 10% are more socialist.
    5. 8% are more authoritarian.
    What are yours?

    EDIT: Visiting the variations part of that site showed me as being within the Moderate Socialism square.
    Last edited by Jolt; 09-12-2009 at 23:18.
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    This is an interesting test, mostly in a good way.

    Your scored 4 on Moral Order and -5 on Moral Rules.


    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
    System: Conservatism (Fair enough)
    Ideology: Capital Republicanism, Conservative NeoLiberalism (Close enough I suppose, libertarian conservatism though?)
    Party: Republican Party (-ish)
    Presidents: George W. Bush (no), George H. Bush (maybe)
    04' Election: George W. Bush (no out of all the choices, yes out of the Dem/Rep candidates)
    08' Election: John McCain (yes)
    I'd say I was a bit closer to the Libertarian Party than the Republican Party personally. My Moral Order beliefs are largely personal and how I live my own life, and I wouldn't want to force them on others.*




    *I answered based on how things should be rather than how I would make them.
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    While I like the quiz, I dunno about the results:

    Your scored 1.5 on Moral Order and -3.5 on Moral Rules.

    System: Conservatism (no)
    Ideology: Capital Republicanism (no)
    Party: Republican Party (no)
    Presidents: Richard Nixon (no)
    04' Election: George W. Bush (no)
    08' Election: John McCain (no)

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    Your scored -1.5 on Moral Order and 5 on Moral Rules.


    * System: Socialism

    * Ideology: Social Democratism, International Socialism

    * Party: No match.

    * Presidents: Jimmy Carter

    * 04' Election: David Cobb

    * 08' Election: Barrack Obama
    I resent the 'socialism'.

    I thought several questions didn't really have an applicable answer. Which may account for the party : no match. In particular, I wished that instead of 'none of the above', there would've been the option 'all of the above'.

    I love how the test came up with 'Jimmy Carter'. As a matter of fact, I am indeed that other person that together with his mum thought he was a great president.

    I had never heard of David Cobb before. I googled him. He's the green party candidate. Meh. But then he hails from Texas, so he's okay with me.
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    YOUR SCORE
    Your scored -3.5 on Moral Order and -2.5 on Moral Rules.

    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

    1. System: Liberalism
    2. Ideology: Capital Democratism
    3. Party: Democratic Party
    4. Presidents: Lyndon B. Johnson
    5. 04' Election: John Kerry
    6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama



    Of the 562,118 respondents (10,070 on Facebook):

    1. 2% are close to you.
    2. 27% are more conservative.
    3. 2% are more liberal.
    4. 20% are more socialist.
    5. 48% are more authoritarian.


    Wow. I don't know about this. I don't consider myself a liberal, nor a conservative either, but definitely not a democrat. I know almost nothing about Lyndon Johnson. The 04 and 08 votes were indeed what I voted, but it was more because I hate(d) Bush and what he was doing to the US than liking the other candidates, and McCain was a bit too nutty for me.

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    I had a lot of problems with the test until I clicked the "show hints" button. Basically you should completely ignore the original option and go by the blue text. For example:

    You should get the health care you are ready to pay for.
    Basic health care should be provided to all, but extra health care should be available to you if you want it.

    Although my before and after didn't change that much, I had a lot less "none of the above" answers.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    YOUR SCORE

    Your scored -0.5 on Moral Order and -1.5 on Moral Rules.

    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

    1. System: Liberalism
    2. Ideology: Capital Democratism
    3. Party: Democratic Party
    4. Presidents: Gerald Ford
    5. 04' Election: John Kerry
    6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama



    Of the 562,120 respondents (10,070 on Facebook):

    1. 5% are close to you.
    2. 23% are more conservative.
    3. 18% are more liberal.
    4. 40% are more socialist.
    5. 16% are more authoritarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    I had a lot of problems with the test until I clicked the "show hints" button. Basically you should completely ignore the original option and go by the blue text.
    That was extremely helpful -- thanks! The questions in blue are far more interesting that the ones on the main test. My results were slightly more accurate this time, although I shudder at being called a Republican.

    Your scored 1 on Moral Order and -2 on Moral Rules.

    System: Conservatism (no)
    Ideology: Capital Republicanism (no)
    Party: Republican Party (no)
    Presidents: Gerald Ford (better, but still no)
    04' Election: John Kerry (yes)
    08' Election: John McCain (no)

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    SUBOTAN'S SCORE

    Your scored -6 on Moral Order and 0.5 on Moral Rules.

    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

    1. System: Socialism
    2. Ideology: Activism
    3. Party: Green Party
    4. Presidents: John F Kennedy
    5. 04' Election: Ralph Nader
    6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich



    Of the 568,008 respondents (10,165 on Facebook):

    1. 2% are close to you.
    2. 57% are more conservative.
    3. 0% are more liberal.
    4. 2% are more socialist.
    5. 31% are more authoritarian.
    Uh. I'm an environmentalist, but no way am I that left wing. I also would have voted Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    I resent the 'socialism'.
    There are only four main systems (Divided by quadrant): Socialism, Libertarialism, Conservadorism and Authoritarism.

    SOCIALISM

    Socialism is a political system that blends Non-Conformance and Interdependence:

    1. Children are born good and should be nurtured to become productive members of society.
    2. Collective initiatives are more effective than individual ones.


    Socialism believes society should be organised along social lines for the benefit of all, rather than for what is perceived as the profit of a few [Interdependence]. Its key ideas are opposition to capitalism, and a belief in equality, both political and economic [Non-Conformance].

    Socialism includes these variations:

    1. Economic Socialism
    2. Moral Socialism
    3. Moderate Socialism
    4. Extreme Socialism

    The variation you're in is Economic Socialism.

    ECONOMIC SOCIALISM

    Economic Socialism is the variation of Socialism that emphasizes Interdependence over Non-Conformance.

    People in this category will tend to have have stronger opinions about expanding collective initiatives (social programs, industry regulation...) than about flexing the moral order (gay rights, ecology, drug legalization,...).

    You're on the border between International Socialism and Social-Democratism, but since you resent "Socialism", I'd bet you are a Social Democrat.



    EDIT: Yes, Sasaki is correct. The hints are vital to making a decision because otherwise all options are a bit ambiguous.
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    Your scored 3 on Moral Order and -5.5 on Moral Rules.

    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

    1. System: Conservatism (yes)
    2. Ideology: Conservative NeoLiberalism (?, I view myself as a libertarian conservative)
    3. Party: Republican Party (well, they're such idiots, but if they practiced what they preached...)
    4. Presidents: Ronald Reagan (out of the choices in this poll, yes. Out of all Presidents, Jefferson)
    5. 04' Election: George W. Bush (yes)
    6. 08' Election: John McCain (yes)
    I had a lot of problems with the test until I clicked the "show hints" button. Basically you should completely ignore the original option and go by the blue text.
    That was quite useful, thanks.

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    You scored -0.5 on moral order and 0 on moral rules.
    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

    1. System: Liberalism, Socialism
    2. Ideology: Capital Democratism, Social Democratism
    3. Party: Democratic Party
    4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
    5. 04' Election: John Kerry
    6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama



    Of the 562,128 respondents (10,071 on Facebook):

    1. 9% are close to you.
    2. 26% are more conservative.
    3. 23% are more liberal.
    4. 31% are more socialist.
    5. 9% are more authoritarian.
    Well, I guess that makes me the most centrist person thus far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    That was quite useful, thanks.

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    CR, there is no such thing as Libertarian Conservative

    Here are the Ideologies:

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    I did it with the blue hints on. The compass now describes me as some sort of communist environment nazi. *kicks compass*
    Oh well. Lemur was outed as a crypto-Republican. :hammer:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jolt View Post
    People in this category will tend to have have stronger opinions about expanding collective initiatives (social programs, industry regulation...) than about flexing the moral order (gay rights, ecology, drug legalization,...).
    When put like that, it sums me up pretty well.

    You're on the border between International Socialism and Social-Democratism, but since you resent "Socialism", I'd bet you are a Social Democrat.
    I'm not a socialist of any sort. I am centrist-right. MoDem to be exact. I think I'd be pretty mainstream Democrat in the US, neither the looney left nor tempted much to occasionaly swing to the GOP, so I was surprised the test twice couldn't link me with a party (I presume the test is American).
    Sarkozy, Obama and Barroso suit me just fine - all three are pretty right wing without any trace of
    (hyphenated) socialism.
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    From what I read from you Loius, you are pretty left-wing, not right-wing. Post your answers we have a clearer look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    I'm not a socialist of any sort. I am centrist-right. MoDem to be exact. I think I'd be pretty mainstream Democrat in the US, neither the looney left nor tempted much to occasionaly swing to the GOP, so I was surprised the test twice couldn't link me with a party (I presume the test is American).
    -3.5 on moral order and 1.5 moral rules...

    I'll join you in the MoDem, Loulou. Shame on me.


    Looks like the test is definitely not relevant for French, since I'm much, much more on the left in real life.


    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Sarkozy, Obama and Barroso suit me just fine - all three are pretty right wing without any trace of
    (hyphenated) socialism.
    B...b....Barroso! Are you nuts?
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    Your scored -4.5 on Moral Order and 4.5 on Moral Rules.

    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

    1. System: Socialism
    2. Ideology: Social Democratism
    3. Party: No match.
    4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
    5. 04' Election: David Cobb
    6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich



    Of the 562,151 respondents (10,071 on Facebook):

    1. 3% are close to you.
    2. 77% are more conservative.
    3. 11% are more liberal.
    4. 4% are more socialist.
    5. 6% are more authoritarian.

    It's fun.
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    ok, that test is broken or you lied.
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    Your scored -7 on Moral Order and 7 on Moral Rules.
    System: Socialism
    Ideology: International Socialism, International Communism, Libertarian Socialism
    Party: No match.
    Presidents: Jimmy Carter
    04' Election: David Cobb
    08' Election: Dennis Kucinich
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    Apparently, I am a socialist. How delightful - I must tell cook.

    Your scored -1.5 on Moral Order and 3 on Moral Rules.

    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
    System: Socialism
    Ideology: Social Democratism
    Party: No match.
    Presidents: Jimmy Carter
    04' Election: David Cobb
    08' Election: Barrack Obama


    As with the other survey, this one sees things through the lens of US politics and without understanding that there are often several answers.

    The 16th question for example, on the law; after some cogitation, I selected the "prevent the causes of crime" - which is clearly meant to be the far left answer. But whilst I believe we should do our best to remove the social conditions that often lead to crime (poor education, disenfranchisement, poverty) because it seems clear to me that if people have no stake in society, they have naught to lose in breaking society's laws for gain - I also believe that lawbreakers should be dealt with extremely harshly, with life sentences meaning life with hard labour, no release.

    Most of the questions posed are therefore biased to fit one into a "pot" so to speak.

    All good fun though. Time to go and oppress the workers (sorry, liberate the workers).

    Jabarto, you will find that compass here. But you have already taken the test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost View Post
    The 16th question for example, on the law; after some cogitation, I selected the "prevent the causes of crime" - which is clearly meant to be the far left answer. But whilst I believe we should do our best to remove the social conditions that often lead to crime (poor education, disenfranchisement, poverty) because it seems clear to me that if people have no stake in society, they have naught to lose in breaking society's laws for gain - I also believe that lawbreakers should be dealt with extremely harshly, with life sentences meaning life with hard labour, no release.
    Eliminating the causes of crime is the far left answer, yes. By eliminating the sources, you don't get the crime. Then against, far left also would remove a lot of laws which are pretty stupid, so there would also be naturally less crime as well, and not people getting arrested for smoking a little pot.
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    Your scored -1.5 on Moral Order and 3 on Moral Rules.

    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

    System: Socialism
    Ideology: Social Democratism
    Party: No match.
    Presidents: Jimmy Carter
    04' Election: David Cobb
    08' Election: Barrack Obama


    Of the 562,160 respondents (10,073 on Facebook):

    5% are close to you.
    44% are more conservative.
    35% are more liberal.
    12% are more socialist.
    3% are more authoritarian.

    That sounds about right to me. Very fun.

    EDIT: I would like to add that I have no idea who Jimmy Carter or David Cobb is.
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    YOUR SCORE
    Your scored 2 on Moral Order and -1.5 on Moral Rules.


    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
    1. System: Conservatism
    2. Ideology: Capital Republicanism
    3. Party: Republican Party
    4. Presidents: Gerald Ford
    5. 04' Election: George W. Bush
    6. 08' Election: John McCain



    Of the 562,162 respondents (10,073 on Facebook):
    1. 4% are close to you.
    2. 10% are more conservative.
    3. 28% are more liberal.
    4. 50% are more socialist.
    5. 5% are more authoritarian.
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    To elaborate:

    1. System: Socialism
    I believe in no ideal system
    2. Ideology: Social Democratism
    Same goes for ideologies. As for a political system, I'm an open liberal/constitutional monarchist.
    3. Party: No match.

    4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter

    5. 04' Election: David Cobb
    David who?
    6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich

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    YOUR SCORE
    Your scored 1.5 on Moral Order and -4 on Moral Rules.

    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

    1. System: Conservatism
    2. Ideology: Capital Republicanism
    3. Party: Republican Party
    4. Presidents: Richard Nixon
    5. 04' Election: George W. Bush
    6. 08' Election: John McCain



    Of the 562,165 respondents (10,073 on Facebook):

    1. 4% are close to you.
    2. 8% are more conservative.
    3. 11% are more liberal.
    4. 64% are more socialist.
    5. 12% are more authoritarian.
    Bollox. I am indignant over being called a Republican. I wish not to be tainted with that party of ignorance, intolerance, religious zealotry, and like evils. This test has a clear American slant, not surprising either, but it does make it restrictive. I for instance, am a strong atheist, and no Republican can admit that and still advance his career.

    Not to mention, 12% are more authoritarian? Doubleplusbad bollox. This is a better test, more complex and longer too:

    This one is the only that managed to gauge me absolutely, impeccably correctly. I am a strong authoritarian, a fiscal conservative, but a social liberal.


    Generally, the longer the quiz, the better. Especially if the questions are divided into three categories: how much power you think should be given to the government, what is your social stance, and what is your fiscal/purely political stance.
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    The big difference between political compass and this one, is that political compass actually puts me on the opposite of the Authoritarian scale (on the correct side).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    I for instance, am a strong atheist, and no Republican can admit that and still advance his career.
    Well, to be fair, not being Protestant, or at the very leat some denomination of Christianity, is pretty much a death sentence for *any* politician in this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    Not to mention, 12% are more authoritarian? Doubleplusbad bollox. This is a better test, more complex and longer too:

    This one is the only that managed to gauge me absolutely, impeccably correctly. I am a strong authoritarian, a fiscal conservative, but a social liberal.
    Did you forget to post a link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabarto View Post
    Did you forget to post a link?
    That was the same test EMFM has in his Political Leanings thread. I thought everyone would recognise it... But anyway, here: http://www.politicalcompass.org/

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    really good test:

    FURUNCULU5'S SCORE

    Your scored 1.5 on Moral Order and -2 on Moral Rules.

    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

    1. System: Conservatism
    2. Ideology: Capital Republicanism
    3. Party: Republican Party
    4. Presidents: Gerald Ford
    5. 04' Election: John Kerry
    6. 08' Election: John McCain

    Description of Capital Republicanism:
    http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolit..._Republicanism

    Description of Moderate Conservatism:
    http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolit...e_Conservatism
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    Default Re: An alternate Political Compass

    Your scored 0.5 on Moral Order and -6.5 on Moral Rules.



    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

    System: Conservatism Yup[
    Ideology: Conservative NeoLiberalism not too strong on enforcing my conservatism on others
    Party: Republican Party yep
    Presidents: Ronald Reagan Well, there you go again....
    04' Election: Michael Badnarik nope*
    08' Election: Ron Paul nope*



    Of the 563,254 respondents (10,093 on Facebook):

    2% are close to you.
    2% are more conservative.
    2% are more liberal.
    69% are more socialist.
    25% are more authoritarian.
    *The Libertarians have some nice ideas, but their total platform is not one I can support. I voted for Dubya and McCain in 2004 and 2008. Neither was my ideal candidate.
    "The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman

    "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken

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    HOSA'S SCORE
    Your scored 4 on Moral Order and -5.5 on Moral Rules.


    The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
    1. System: Conservatism yes
    2. Ideology: Conservative NeoLiberalism
    3. Party: Republican Party yes
    4. Presidents: George W. Bush
    5. 04' Election: George W. Bush yes, Kerry errr no
    6. 08' Election: John McCain no, he allowed himself to be Rove'd/Limbaughed
    The Republicans didn't deserve my vote after the last 8 years of lies & total fiscal irresponsibility/chicanery.
    "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." *Jim Elliot*

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