An alternate Political Compass

[Fragony]

YOUR SCORE
Your scored 0.5 on Moral Order and -5.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
System: Conservatism
Ideology: Conservative NeoLiberalism
Party: Republican Party
Presidents: Ronald Reagan
04' Election: Michael Badnarik
08' Election: Ron Paul <--- I really admire this man, what a loss


Of the 562,193 respondents (10,076 on Facebook):
3% are close to you.
7% are more conservative.
7% are more liberal.
64% are more socialist.
20% are more authoritarian.
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Sounds about right

[Sarmatian]

My results...

Your scored -3.5 on Moral Order and 1.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: Social Democratism
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: David Cobb
6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama



Of the 562,196 respondents (10,077 on Facebook):

1. 5% are close to you.
2. 58% are more conservative.
3. 9% are more liberal.
4. 13% are more socialist.
5. 17% are more authoritarian

Haha, I knew that Louis was a communist deep down. Under that cruel capitalist exterior, there's a true fighter for the rights of the workers

[CountArach]

Your scored -7 on Moral Order and 7 on Moral Rules.
System: Socialism
Ideology: International Socialism, International Communism, Libertarian Socialism
Party: No match.
Presidents: Jimmy Carter
04' Election: David Cobb
08' Election: Dennis Kucinich

[jabarto]

I for instance, am a strong atheist, and no Republican can admit that and still advance his career.

Well, to be fair, not being Protestant, or at the very leat some denomination of Christianity, is pretty much a death sentence for *any* politician in this country.

Not to mention, 12% are more authoritarian? Doubleplusbad bollox. This is a better test, more complex and longer too:

This one is the only that managed to gauge me absolutely, impeccably correctly. I am a strong authoritarian, a fiscal conservative, but a social liberal.

Did you forget to post a link?

[Banquo's Ghost]

Apparently, I am a socialist. How delightful - I must tell cook.

Your scored -1.5 on Moral Order and 3 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
System: Socialism
Ideology: Social Democratism
Party: No match.
Presidents: Jimmy Carter
04' Election: David Cobb
08' Election: Barrack Obama


As with the other survey, this one sees things through the lens of US politics and without understanding that there are often several answers.

The 16th question for example, on the law; after some cogitation, I selected the "prevent the causes of crime" - which is clearly meant to be the far left answer. But whilst I believe we should do our best to remove the social conditions that often lead to crime (poor education, disenfranchisement, poverty) because it seems clear to me that if people have no stake in society, they have naught to lose in breaking society's laws for gain - I also believe that lawbreakers should be dealt with extremely harshly, with life sentences meaning life with hard labour, no release.

Most of the questions posed are therefore biased to fit one into a "pot" so to speak.

All good fun though. Time to go and oppress the workers (sorry, liberate the workers).

Jabarto, you will find that compass here. But you have already taken the test.

[Furunculus]

really good test:

FURUNCULU5'S SCORE

Your scored 1.5 on Moral Order and -2 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Conservatism
2. Ideology: Capital Republicanism
3. Party: Republican Party
4. Presidents: Gerald Ford
5. 04' Election: John Kerry
6. 08' Election: John McCain

Description of Capital Republicanism:
http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolit..._Republicanism

Description of Moderate Conservatism:
http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolit...e_Conservatism

[Aemilius Paulus]

Did you forget to post a link?

That was the same test EMFM has in his Political Leanings thread. I thought everyone would recognise it... But anyway, here: http://www.politicalcompass.org/

[Strike For The South]

1. System: Liberalism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism, Progressive NeoLiberalism
3. Party: Democratic Party, Libertarian Party
4. Presidents: Bill Clinton
5. 04' Election: Michael Badnarik
6. 08' Election: Ron Paul

[Beskar]

The 16th question for example, on the law; after some cogitation, I selected the "prevent the causes of crime" - which is clearly meant to be the far left answer. But whilst I believe we should do our best to remove the social conditions that often lead to crime (poor education, disenfranchisement, poverty) because it seems clear to me that if people have no stake in society, they have naught to lose in breaking society's laws for gain - I also believe that lawbreakers should be dealt with extremely harshly, with life sentences meaning life with hard labour, no release.

Eliminating the causes of crime is the far left answer, yes. By eliminating the sources, you don't get the crime. Then against, far left also would remove a lot of laws which are pretty stupid, so there would also be naturally less crime as well, and not people getting arrested for smoking a little pot.

[Azathoth]

From AP's test:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97

[Banquo's Ghost]

Eliminating the causes of crime is the far left answer, yes.

It's a perfectly conservative aim, as well. Conservative policy may well seek to bring people out of poverty (for example) by providing opportunity for all to succeed on merit - whereas leftist policy would probably look to a state welfare approach with equality benchmarks.

By eliminating the sources, you don't get the crime.

Now that is a far left delusion. Everywhere but Utopia will have crime.

Then against, far left also would remove a lot of laws which are pretty stupid, so there would also be naturally less crime as well, and not people getting arrested for smoking a little pot.

Both left and right governments love to legislate, and there's plenty of leftist governments that have suffocating layers of laws - since the state considers itself responsible for almost the entire life governance of the citizen. The further left, the more laws. I would argue the true conservative believes in the rule of law and that those laws should be few, traditional and close to immutable so that everyone understands the framework by which society functions - and thus minimises the intervention of government.

Your pot example is more likely to be enacted by a libertarian government. Libertarian politics can be left or right in nature (as can authoritarian government).

[Furunculus]

awesome post BG, i was considering a response (unlikely with sunday night laziness), but said it better than i could of.

[Centurion1]

This test made me feel like a nutter. some of the questions are so multi faceted though. i probably got some hardcore results because of my answers about work and education (the best and the brightest, etc.) I just don't think all the answers are possible, like 50 percent of the time i agreed with 2 or even three answers.

1. System: Conservatism (True)
2. Ideology: Conservative NeoLiberalism, Ultra Capitalism (Uh, mostly true but i wouldn't call myself an ultra capitalist)
3. Party: Republican Party (yeah pretty much, but i sort of hate politicians as a rule)
4. Presidents: Ronald Reagan (Definitely)
5. 04' Election: George W. Bush (Yep)
6. 08' Election: Ron Paul ( Uh no, john McCain all the way)


And then mama centurion took the quiz

1. System: Conservatism, Liberalism
2. Ideology: Capital Republicanism, Capital Democratism
3. Party: Republican Party, Democratic Party
4. Presidents: Gerald Ford
5. 04' Election: John Kerry (She got super pissed and left)
6. 08' Election: John McCain

My mother is pretty conservative, she has NEVER voted democrat so she was a little mad

[Aemilius Paulus]

5. 04' Election: John Kerry (She got super pissed and left)
6. 08' Election: John McCain

My mother is pretty conservative, she has NEVER voted democrat so she was a little mad

Of course, as someone recently remarked in the Backroom, people do not actually wish to learn anything. They simply desire for their views to be re-affirmed, whether it is a political test or a news channel. "Why watch both sides for a balanced, unbiased understanding when my precious Fox News are so fair and balanced, and always satisfy me??"

Vast majority of the partisan people in the world are like it, and most adults, if they support a certain party that is, will do the same. Many of us, and maybe even me, will turn out that way too.

[Zim]

Apparently I was in the moderate conservative box on the graph (so called Capital Republicanism). I suppose that isn't too far off, although the more specific statements were off a bit.

[Tristuskhan]

I'm not a socialist of any sort. I am centrist-right. MoDem to be exact. I think I'd be pretty mainstream Democrat in the US, neither the looney left nor tempted much to occasionaly swing to the GOP, so I was surprised the test twice couldn't link me with a party (I presume the test is American).

-3.5 on moral order and 1.5 moral rules...

I'll join you in the MoDem, Loulou. Shame on me.


Looks like the test is definitely not relevant for French, since I'm much, much more on the left in real life.

Sarkozy, Obama and Barroso suit me just fine - all three are pretty right wing without any trace of
(hyphenated) socialism.

B...b....Barroso! Are you nuts?

[Centurion1]

Vast majority of the partisan people in the world are like it, and most adults, if they support a certain party that is, will do the same. Many of us, and maybe even me, will turn out that way too.

My mother watches FOX and CNN and she reads the Wall Street Journal . The woman just does not like John and never has. I didn't like Ron Paul either. I thought the test was fine until it tried to guess what president you voted for. The simple fact is that while the test was pretty good, political dilemmas are just not one black and white like some people think (including many young people like myself). Some questions were very ambiguious like the last question on law enforcement.

[Aemilius Paulus]

My mother watches FOX and CNN and she reads the Wall Street Journal .

That is splendid . Although I would not watch the first two. In fact, I would not watch any news generally, unless it was the News Hour with Jim Lehrer (PBS). Reading news on the Net is safer.

The manner in which you worded your previous post caused me to assume your mother was one of those staunch partisans. And to some degree, this may be true, as I do not consider it wise to stick to one single party for one's entirely life in a nation such as America, where politics tend to focus on individuals more than in an other nation - in most world states people vote stolidly by party, and so did the Americans some time ago. Not so much today, a time where roughly 20% staunch Republicans and staunch 20% Democrats battle for the 60% undecided (research this if you wish, the 20% on each side is a true fact).

[InsaneApache]

System: Liberalism
Ideology: Capital Democratism, Progressive NeoLiberalism
Party: Democratic Party, Libertarian Party
Presidents: Bill Clinton
04' Election: Michael Badnarik
08' Election: Ron Paul

Bill Clinton!

[Centurion1]

Not so much today, a time where roughly 20% staunch Republicans and staunch 20% Democrats battle for the 60% undecided (research this if you wish, the 20% on each side is a true fact).

I assume you are going by registered dems and reps. Many people are staunch supporters of either side but they do not register as such. However, your numbers are basically correct, the independents really decide every political election in the U.S.

as I do not consider it wise to sick to one single party for one's entirely life in a nation such as America, where politics tend to focus on individuals more than in an other nation - in most world states people vote stolidly by party, and so did the Americans some time ago.

Read Alexis de toqueville and James Bryce. they explain that exact statement more in depth.

[Aemilius Paulus]

I assume you are going by registered dems and reps.

No, via regular statistics gathering methods, such as mainly phonecalls. The source was clear on that, as everyone knows the unreliability of merely counting who is registered as who.

[Idaho]

It was as much a load of nonsense as the Political Compass to be fair.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Your scored 0.5 on Moral Order and -6.5 on Moral Rules.



The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Conservatism Yup[
Ideology: Conservative NeoLiberalism not too strong on enforcing my conservatism on others
Party: Republican Party yep
Presidents: Ronald Reagan Well, there you go again....
04' Election: Michael Badnarik nope*
08' Election: Ron Paul nope*



Of the 563,254 respondents (10,093 on Facebook):

2% are close to you.
2% are more conservative.
2% are more liberal.
69% are more socialist.
25% are more authoritarian.

*The Libertarians have some nice ideas, but their total platform is not one I can support. I voted for Dubya and McCain in 2004 and 2008. Neither was my ideal candidate.

[Hosakawa Tito]

HOSA'S SCORE
Your scored 4 on Moral Order and -5.5 on Moral Rules.


The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Conservatism yes
2. Ideology: Conservative NeoLiberalism
3. Party: Republican Party yes
4. Presidents: George W. Bush
5. 04' Election: George W. Bush yes, Kerry errr no
6. 08' Election: John McCain no, he allowed himself to be Rove'd/Limbaughed

The Republicans didn't deserve my vote after the last 8 years of lies & total fiscal irresponsibility/chicanery.

[Idaho]

It may work for Americans. Like the Political Compass it is based on the belief that the US two party system is the pinnacle of political development and that the hackneyed and tedious Liberal versus Conservative dichotomy explains away the entirety of ideology.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

It may work for Americans. Like the Political Compass it is based on the belief that the US two party system is the pinnacle of political development and that the hackneyed and tedious Liberal versus Conservative dichotomy explains away the entirety of ideology.

If we can't real off the answers as quickly as the football scores, what's the point?

[Hooahguy]

interesting.

YOUR SCORE

Your scored 0.5 on Moral Order and -1.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Conservatism
2. Ideology: Capital Republicanism
3. Party: Republican Party
4. Presidents: Gerald Ford
5. 04' Election: John Kerry (NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
6. 08' Election: John McCain



Of the 565,816 respondents (10,123 on Facebook):

1. 5% are close to you.
2. 17% are more conservative.
3. 23% are more liberal.
4. 47% are more socialist.
5. 10% are more authoritarian.

[Furunculus]

same as me i think.

[econ21]

Your scored -6 on Moral Order and 0 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Liberalism, Socialism (sounds about right)
Ideology: Progressivism, Activism (Ok)
Party: Green Party (yeuch)
Presidents: John F Kennedy (there have been worse)
04' Election: Ralph Nader (grrr - self-aggrandizing egoist lost the "left" the election!)
08' Election: Dennis Kucinich (who?)

Of the 566,205 respondents (10,129 on Facebook):

2% are close to you.
47% are more conservative.
0% are more liberal.
2% are more socialist.
33% are more authoritarian.

"0% are more liberal" than me - I love it. I have no idea what it means, or how it can be true given the map, but I love it.

I also like the 0 for the balance between the collective and individual orientation of moral rules; it matches the 0 I got in another Org promoted test on a left/right economic dimension.

[HoreTore]

So you all praise it, eh? Well then, the elephant is here to ruin your tea-party...

I think the test is rubbish. The questions were way too few, far too general, poorly worded and posed and finally it's very, very american, the "old one" is international. I've probably got some other faults with it too, but I can't be bothered now...

On to my results then. First off, the test told me I'm authoritarian. Seeing as I'm a full-blown anarchist on social issues, I haven't got a clue how it sorted that one out. My system is "socialism", ok. Social democrat would also have been acceptable.. But my ideology is "international socialism" and "international communism"... Could anyone tell me just what that means? I can't see how it could mean anything but international revolutionary marxism(ie. Trotsky and Che), and that's just plain wrong... Not to mention that I can't say I saw the question "Do you believe that the revolution should be spread to the rest of the world?" in the test, or indeed anything about revolution at all... Just how can the test have communism as a result when none of the questions are about revolutions?

Oh, and I'm the most hard-ass wannabe despot on facebook. Take that!