Refitting the Map

[lobf]

Alexander wanted too, he just died to early.

Perhaps this is common knowledge, but I haven't heard it before. Source?

The Parthians/sassanids did conquer the eastern parts, the Persians had done so before them.

In the EB time frame? Source?

They even rivaled with the romans in Arabia to gain as much from trade as possible. The Romans tried to conquer Arabia felix but failed (they blaimed the weather and their Nabataean guide). So yes you are wrong.

Source?

Don't take this shit personally. I'm just interested in learning more.

[Foot]

Perhaps this is common knowledge, but I haven't heard it before. Source?



In the EB time frame? Source?



Source?

Don't take this shit personally. I'm just interested in learning more.

Then perhaps you need to learn how to ask in a less aggressive and confrontational way. Something along the lines of:

"Huh, that's really interesting. Where could I find out more about this?"

Most people seem to be able to do this, I would be suprised if you were unable to you.

Foot

[lobf]

Then perhaps you need to learn how to ask in a less aggressive and confrontational way. Something along the lines of:

"Huh, that's really interesting. Where could I find out more about this?"

Most people seem to be able to do this, I would be suprised if you were unable to you.

Foot

Or I could just say "source?"

I should be able to ask for a source without pussyfooting around to make a potentially sensitive person feel good. There is nothing inherently aggressive in asking for a source. And I even ended the post with "I'm just interested in learning more" in case he took it all as a challenge.

Why take it personally? This is an academic forum.

[-Praetor-]

It is just a matter or reciprocity, lobf. Politeness is returned with politeness, and what you call pussyfooting actually makes a debate enjoyable rather than confrontational.

[Foot]

Or I could just say "source?"

I should be able to ask for a source without pussyfooting around to make a potentially sensitive person feel good. There is nothing inherently aggressive in asking for a source. And I even ended the post with "I'm just interested in learning more" in case he took it all as a challenge.

Why take it personally? This is an academic forum.

Are you being obtuse on purpose, or are you really this confrontantial? Do you really not see how it reads for us, those who have given our lives for this mod (quite literally in some cases). Are you so lacking in empathy, or is this some sort of vendetta, or something else perhaps.

I'm amazed. I really am. Your original post that I responded to really does sound like you have already formed an opinion and are simply assuming that we are talking bollocks. I can assure you that Moros knows what he is talking about, and to the detriment of his potential in other areas: he went out and found this information.

Foot

[Bucefalo]

What useful is knowing history, if you don´t have manners?. Knowing how to ask is as important (and sometimes more) as knowing what you are talking about. You can be completely clueless about something but ask it in a polite way, and learn something while you are at it. So Lobf you better rephrase your questions, or otherwise you will learn very few history.

[lobf]

Are you being obtuse on purpose, or are you really this confrontantial? Do you really not see how it reads for us, those who have given our lives for this mod (quite literally in some cases). Are you so lacking in empathy, or is this some sort of vendetta, or something else perhaps.

I'm amazed. I really am. Your original post that I responded to really does sound like you have already formed an opinion and are simply assuming that we are talking bollocks. I can assure you that Moros knows what he is talking about, and to the detriment of his potential in other areas: he went out and found this information.

Foot

I'm a pretty confrontational person. However, I don't find it rude to ask for a source. I suppose that's just a difference between you and I.
Besides it's not like Moros has an absolutely perfect record of truth and accuracy. He's espoused some rumor and hearsay in the past. (Moros, you have also put out a ton of great info in very lucid and easily comprehensible language, so don't take that the wrong way. I've said some bullshit myself, everyone does it. That's why I ask for sources.)

What useful is knowing history, if you don´t have manners?. Knowing how to ask is as important (and sometimes more) as knowing what you are talking about. You can be completely clueless about something but ask it in a polite way, and learn something while you are at it. So Lobf you better rephrase your questions, or otherwise you will learn very few history.

I really care about your opinion.

Well thanks the General that saved me some work.

Also Lobf while I could understand you demanding sources for a claim, this is rather basic knowledge when it comes to Ancient arabia, and you could have found out yourself merely using wikipedia.

I suppose I could have, but it can be hard to find info on something when you don't really know what you're looking for. Not to mention I assumed you would have some more interesting sources than Wikipedia.

Lobf reminds me of myself when he's proudly rude like this. Luv it.

Not trying to be rude. I just don't lick people's nuts. This is a history discussion not a lamaz class.

Also, hate to revive the controversy, but I figured I should address this now that I'm back.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Wow you really are hopeless, I will not even try to explain to you what common values are...

~Fluvius

[lobf]

Wow you really are hopeless, I will not even try to explain to you what common values are...

~Fluvius

Is this representative of "common values?"

Jesus you guys are touchy.

[The General]

Perhaps this is common knowledge, but I haven't heard it before. Source?

From :http://arabiafelix.humnet.unipi.it/p...ent_after.html

With the Asian expedition of Alexander, the Greek world has the occasion for a radical change of the Arabia's knowledge, because the peninsula is discovered. Alexander is attracted much more by geographical position of Arabia as a connection between oriental and occidental part of the empire, according to a "British" strategic vision, but his death (on 10th June 323 a.C.) is the end of a grand plan.

In the EB time frame? Source?

From the supreme authority in all things, Wikipedia:
Parthia:

Sassanid empire:

Sassanids of course well out of EB's time frame, but that's obvious enough for everyone who's ever opened a history book, now innit. However, both Byzantines and Sassanids sported an interest in Arabia as both supported buffer states of their own

Source?

Arabia Felix
Aelius Gallus
And from
http://arabiafelix.humnet.unipi.it/p...edizione1.html:

After Alexander's dream of conquering the country of perfume, the only real attempt at military conquest was launched by Augustus. This ambitious plan which was again based on vague and contradictory geographical knowledge was launched under Aelius Gallus the Roman prefect of Egypt. The Roman army of ten thousand men moved into Arabia from the north from the Nabataean port of Leuke Kome. Crossing the Arabian peninsula proved disastrous for the Romans. Having set forth to conquer a country of knowledge, glory and wealth, they were decimated by hunger, thirst and heat. The overwhelming military superiority of the Romans that had brought them total victory in the clashes with south Arabian armies with practically no casualties of their own was completely useless. When they arrived within sight of the capital of Saba they had to turn back and retreat.
The return trip was much swifter - sixty days compared to the six months outwards and provided the chance to blame the Nabataean guide for the defeat and justify Aelius Gallus.

That's what a little googling finds, but I've read about both expeditions (Alexander's planned one and Aelius Gallus's unsuccesful one) but cba visit my local librabry to find what the names of the books were that I read 3-5 years ago, sorreh. I kind of thought that Alexander's plans for Arabia were relatively known since I recall some theories (hypotheses) about his death based on malaria catched in southern Mesopotamia as he was inspecting the work done to prepare for the invasion or something along those lines.

[Moros]

Well thanks the General that saved me some work.

Also Lobf while I could understand you demanding sources for a claim, this is rather basic knowledge when it comes to Ancient arabia, and you could have found out yourself merely using wikipedia.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Sounds like some people need to calm down. Let's not freakout over a pointless thing. We all know and love lobf for his skepticism, lets not get angry over it, especially since he has been posting with such skepticism for two years here.

[Megas Methuselah]

Lobf reminds me of myself when he's proudly rude like this. Luv it.

[Moros]

Lobf reminds me of myself when he's proudly rude like this. Luv it.

[-Praetor-]

Lobf reminds me of myself when he's proudly rude like this. Luv it.

What's there to be proud of?

[Subotan]

Lobf reminds me of myself when he's proudly rude like this. Luv it.

Or does Meth remind me of Lobf?



Also, stupid question, but is the province limit in MTW:II the same as in RTW?

[Azathoth]

Also, stupid question, but is the province limit in MTW:II the same as in RTW?

Correct on both counts.